That's what I was thinking. Has anyone interested in the boat asked Scott at Shogren about this?

When I spoke with greg he said it was probably set this way for reliability reasons. Original owner had the boat set up this way. Brings the whole thing back around again. Why? Yes full engine and drive check would give sometimes a better perspective of things. All depends on how far you really want to go or how much doubt you really have in it.

Things that make you go hmmmm...

The drive is about 2-7/8 " or 3". I measured it last week.

There is nothing wrong with the engine or the boat. You guys are reading way too much into this. If you saw the boat you could see it is mint.

Scott Shogren is real nice guy and an honest person. If you are interested, I'd call him and make a move on a great boat at a unbelievable price.

I agree, this is the most overanalyzed boat on the market. If your worried about the boat then have your mechanic go through it.

I think the problem is Jo himself had the boat at 90+ and now it barely cracks 80. If I were in the market I would want to know the REAL story.

Scott has had thhe boat over 90 easily.

Kirk, this is my point. :D Why will it only crack 80 now?

1. I wasn't driving

2. I have no idea!!

3. I have my own issues!!

This thread could "go Apache" at any moment! :D

I think the problem is Jo himself had the boat at 90+ and now it barely cracks 80. If I were in the market I would want to know the REAL story.

onesickpantera- you got it. This was my point.

I like the boat, just wondering why it is running slow, when it used be be a 90+ performer.

2 people at a time went out. Greg and I, then Scott and I.
Greg drove it. I drove it. Scott drove it.
I held the gps while Scott drove it to a best of 80.1.

I started the thread hoping there was a simple fix - like someone clarifying that they changed to a 3lb pulley for this reason or that. Then I would have had some level of confidence that the motor is ok. And that all it would need is to just put the smaller pulley back on and go rip.

Sorry Kirk I know you do. That question wasn't directed toward you. I was merely stating if I was looking at the boat and it would only do 80 I would want to know WHY.

Which, if we look back, was the original question of this thread. :D

Seems like that would be an easy one to test. Scott's got to have plenty of pullies and belts around that joint.

I bet if the boat were in Jo's hands, with some tweaking, it would go over 90 again:D I dont think anything is wrong with it, that a survey, and a good leakdown test wouldnt tell ya.

Everyone knows Jo runs these boats better than anyone.
I've dug this boat when it was 80k. Now its 49k.

Kirk, i'm sure the boat is mint. But then again its not new.
For 50k, i'd have it surveyed and a good mechanic do a compression and leakdown, just like a buyer should when plunking down cash.
Even when things are new, the buyer should be aware.

If i was ready and just wanted a boat for myself, i'd bring this one home, use it for the rest of the season, then let JC go through the engine in the off season. that's pretty cheap insurance. just my $0.02.

Guys... You're buying the boat as is, not as it was when Jo last drove it.

For what this boat is intended for, at this price its a steal.
And for all you macho guys wanting to run over 100 in one of these 28s, you may want to speak to albert about what it takes. He's done it, and it doesn't seem like he is all too anxious to do it again.
I think a solid 90-93 is VERY respectable, w/ a cruise of 70. :cool:

I think the thread was started as a "anyone know why" question, hoping someone might know why it only runs 80 and why it is only running 3lbs of boost.

I agree a leakdown and compression test would show if the motor was hurt. But, I do find it odd that it is only running 3 lbs of boost. So it very well could be a simple pulley change.

Grimes has a very good rep in his atlanta market, that would give me warm fuzzies, do the compression/leakdown.

Jo can always squeeze a few digits, also factor in heat, sea level and salt buoyancy

You could always call Gary Grimes in Alpharetta, Georgia. I believe he built the motor and could address the pulley situation atleast. I know his motors are not cheap!
Greg

So who´s gonna buy this beauty, then? I think it looks great, and thought about bringing it over here.

I love the cockpit settup.......but I think there is the crux of the matter with the motor issue.
The boat is a complete contradiction.
It is set up like an out and out race boat, made for a two man crew. and it got a motor to deliver the goods. 90+ mph in a 28 footer is definitely where the fun is........but not with an XR drive. Merc racing gets nervous when you tell them you are going to do some serious offshore running with their 600/XR package in a single!
So somewhere along the line the motor got muzzle to stop it chewing up the (up to 600HP) drive.

I´d keep the cockpit settup, and the motor. Get the guy who built it to go over it and bring it up to 750 HP and fit an Imco sc drive.

just my theory.............

WildCard- you're on it man! How are ya?

FYI: I talked to Jo in length about this boat. He said the drive is custom built w/all all the Imco goodies inside- maybe some teague stuff here and there. I forget all the details. Bottom line is it was set up to take some serious abuse. Well beyond standard XR.

Pretty cool boat. A real beast. It's a little hard to drive solo with your pinky running the trim but that can be changed! Just a shame about the motor really. Seems like a total mystery. Nobody knows if it's got issues or if someone changed the pulley to lower the boost. -hard to imagine why anyone would do a bigger pulley when all you'd have to do is give it less throttle.

Really cool boat though.

Here is my .02 cents on this boat. Every boat has a price, however, when I want something that satifies my taste, I can careless whats the problem with the motor. I for one know that you can buy a boat that is running 90 today, take it home and blow a piston the next day. Give this boat a break it has been in many sea trials to show of a potential buyer the speeds and handling too many times. For example, I got a call from Jo five years ago, Albert the three man bolster race boat is for sale, I said really here is 3K for a deposit and tell the seller that its mine. Well, I didnt care or asked anything about it, I wanted the boat. It took me a week to get the boat because the sellers bank could not find the title. When the boat became mine without even seing it before buying it, I didnt even want the seller to go out with us because he sold it due to being scared of the boat, imagine if he would have gone out with Jo and myself. The weekend came along I met Jo a the docks, took her out in 3/4`s at 82 with a broken rings causing major blow by. I didnt care because this was the boat I wanted all long and didnt care if it was running or not. If I didnt have my boat today this thread would have never taken place because this boat would have been sitting in my garage two years ago. With that being said, the right buyer for this boat has not seen it yet......

Albert your right on bro...theres an azzzzzzz for ever seat ya just gotta find it

I second that... I don't think there is a damn thing wrong with boat... never did. Scott Shogren seems like a straight shooter, at least the couple of times I talked to him.
I check OSO about everyday, thinking to here the bad news (for me) that someone bought this boat :D
There's not that many Pantera's in the midwest so locating one like this 10-12hrs away is a blessing ...or omen.

I just noticed that the boat is no longer in the classifieds... is there something that no one is telling me??

Albert nailed it on the head.
When i saw my boat I KNEW it was the one i wanted.
Had the owner on the phone, knowing there were a few others really interested.
I wasn't letting him off the phone till he accepted an offer.

IMO, if you buy a used boat, expect it wil need engine work.
and yes... i'm a friend of Murphy('s law).

Amen Bro! I couldn't agree more. Ask Griff! :D

And as I said before, if Scott wanted to trade for an A-Sedan Camaro, this thing would have been in HB a couple months ago!

Seems like there's a lot more foam than there is beer when it comes to buyers on stuff like this.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
YOU SAID THAT?!?!?!?!
and before 7am PST too!

Buy a boat you love. If you have any doubts pass.
If you don't LOVE it when you buy it, you sure won't love it when it gives you problems... which all boat do.

Rob! That made me spit out my coffee! You know it's true!

I have some experince with tire kicking. I've had the race car for sale on and off for a couple of years. And since I mention it from time to time, I thought I'd take a minute to do a mini-hijack of this discussing and show some photos! (I'm wearing arm restraints in the first photo, so no I didn't forget to put up my window net and the second photos shows the engine before I replaced the koni's with remote resivoir Penskes).

Can't resist posting this one. It's one of my favorites. That's my buddy in his Ferrari 360 Challenge car. He's not passing me. If he isn't past by that point (turn 4 at Willow springs) he's SOL because the Camaro eats up the Ferrari on the straights. Something about being really light (2,740#) and having plenty of HP... The video of that race from Johnny's (Ferrari) in car camera is awesome!

I'm also running "cheater" rubber on the car in these shots. They're the Hoosier DOT race rubber. I usually run the Hoosier TD vintage race tires, but we were monkeying around with set up and trying some things. Overall, it didn't change lap times much, but really changed the "feel" on the car.

Threadjack indeed! :signs069: (cause I know you love the new smileys)

Sir, I am not the one that needs to get to work! :D

He's probably got enough hot rods in the shop as it is. Scott traded my 10.5 drag car in on a 27' Fever in May.

http://centexhotrods.com/clark/newpaint/parkinglot3.JPG

Probably! Love the look of that car and love those Welds! That's exactly the direction my big block '68 is headed!

How do you kick the tyres on a boat, anyway:cool-smiley-011:
The boat has been sold by Shogren last fall already. The customer kept it over the winter and came back in may and traded it on another boat. Other than the test drives, it hasn´t seen any action in a year. poor Pantera!
The motor makes about 570 HP at the moment, and thats why it only runs 80.

Back to the Camaros, now:D :D

It's got to be on the trailer!

I'll cut you some slack because you're in Germany but there's a Malibu up there to! :D

How come you know more than anyone else about this boat and you live in Germany! LOL

BTW, you have one bad-azz Outlaw!

Nice pics Dude gotta love being ahead of the F car in an F body He He He:cool-smiley-011:

impressive:cool-smiley-011:

I've got videos of that drag car if anyone's interested............seeing how the boat in this thread has been played out. :)

Shogren Pantera
 

The boat currently runs 2-3lbs boost only @ 50000RPM with a lab finished 32' Bravo one four blade. The motor is only turning about 570HP in its current set up. Change prop to 31' and turn RPM up to 5700-5800 and it will be faster than you want to drive it. The way it's set up now it accelerates like a rocket to 82mph/5000rpm. The bottom line is it's 49k which is a STEAL and has been sold about 10 times and fallen apart about 8 times because people have been unable to get financed. We are currently considering tearing boat down and selling parts which would sell for more than 49K. Thanks for those of you supporting us on this thread.

Regards,
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