"I just don't think spinning the car trying to find the limit works. How do you measure the limit? If you're going backwards into the wall you've exceeded the limit, okay, but what do you learn from that?

I understand how it feels in the car when you've overstepped the amount of tracktion or grip you've got. That's how I know you've passed the limit. I don't get what revolving gets for you you. Some guy goes flying off the road, then says 'well, that's too fast.' What's he do, go back and look at where the speedometer needle stuck on impact?"

--- Skip Barber

There is an attitude in the sport that spins - losses of control - are a necessary, even a beneficial part of driving racecars. We strongly disagree. Any loss of control puts you in a position wher ewhat happens to you and your car is purely a matter of luck... Don't kid yourself. Although motor racing has gotten much safer in the last decade, you're driving a light weight vehicle at high speed and bad things do happen. Bath things happen less often to drivers who maintain control of their cars.

From Chapter 4 of Going Faster (handbook for the Skip Barber drivng school). There's a lot more. But basically it says to creep up on it, do things with consistency and change things one thing at a time so you know what the result of the change was. The book is a very good read and even though not directly applicable to boats, provides an excellent frame of reference for how to approach controlling any high performance vehilce.

I understand what you/ Skip Barber are saying......I have raced cars when I was a lot younger and more recently jetskis.
You kind of go to where you are comfortable, then just push a little bit more......
The main focus is reading the water, anticipating/correcting all of the time, but then one has to have a good feel for what their boat does under any given set of circumstances too.
It takes every bit of concentration, especially when racing, you think of nothing else except what is in front and around you, I call it being in the zone.

The price has been updated on Seriousoffshore. 12k.

http://www.seriousoffshore.com/class...age=out&id=133

Ziemer, do you still have your 24 for sale?

Mine is for sale if somebody wants it, so I can go buy one with twins

Seriously, if anyone wants a 24 single(I know most of you want to go faster, but it is a good start for someone with little $$ and lots of time), Mine can be had for a steal, I am not trying to use this thread to sell my boat, the only way it is for sale is if I get the twin engine 24 that this thread is about, otherwise I keep it. My boat COULD use a transom, but it is strong as is, and has a 1/4" plate wrapped completely up into the motorwell, so its not going anywhere, I just dont like the motorwell configuration, and slight dampness, if I keep the boat the transom will get done this winter along with reconfiguring the entire back of the boat and adding a bracket. I have seen a best of 59 MPH(very loose setup) with the STOCK 1994 225 3 litre, but currently have it set up to run 55-57 and have a much better attitude than the 59 run.

Price? Photos?

I believe this is what the boat originally looked like if I'm not mistaken.

Yes.

JO

All kinds of pics on the ebay ad.