I'm not rational? Okay. LOL

I'm asking the same questions as everyone on OSO (except for your successfully delivered clients). You won't answer their questions either....and folks wonder WTH would Scott leave his boat there if he doesn't have to..... especially to sell it (because you haven't finished the PAID IN FULL boat).

Most disputes are old and have been settled.
We do not owe creditors $ now.

????
Berks dispute is very current.
And you owe him as a creditor a whole boat.

We keep hearing 10-15k to finish the 28ft boat.
That's the value of the parts , correct ?

If as Jo has suggested you add 35% to the sale price of this single engine 28 ft boat are you getting close or at same price as the new
29 OL ?

[QUOTE=PhantomChaos;3823307What other OSO member is taking delivery of a new boat this week.....don't you think they would be speaking up about it?

he probably doesnt want 100 pages of bullsh!t talked about his new boat. i dont blame him for not stroking your guys hard-on's by starting a thread about his boat on here. no matter how nice the boat is, how it was paid for, even if it was built in a week.. the lack of blood in your head would make you think irrationally and come on here and bash a fellow boater. with all your money and free time hire a spy to go do recon work at pantera and report back to us with the builds going on there

Are you kidding me? Don't you think if Pantera was able to build a boat and actually deliver it right now......it would be huge news and an awesome sign that Pantera truly is trying to make a change? I bet Matt Trulio would even do an article on it!. There would be at least 5 threads just in this section started by you....and we would have had about 3 "sneak peek" threads in the last year.

Haopy Holidays!

its a shame you live so far away.... haPPy holidays

Let Scott sell is boat. There's no reason to beat him up over this Pantera mess.

Pantera will crash and burn. The court documents CLEARLY show that (contradicting Jo's comment) the Chapter 11 bankruptcy was dismissed with prejuidice, and could not be re-filed for another 12 months. It's my opinion that the original BK filing (which put an automatic stay on Berk's lawsuit, and the eviction lawsuit) was a delay tactic to buy the Pantera people some time. The court saw right through it....and because Pantera had no business plan to show the court (which it demanded) how they would restructure the company, the BK was dismissed. In fact, Pantera was held liable for court fees and costs. Basically, the judge told them to F off, and don't even think about pulling this crap again.

I remember when Fred's (Trick marine) daughter posted a glowing defense of her father...how he had sold so many boaters parts for far below the indusrty standard, and how grateful we should all be. Problem is, in the end, when the cash flow dried up, many people got stung. So Jo, just because you are providing this great 28' custom boat way below the markey value, you feel that the industry is better for it? Why is it the current and future customer's problem that your business plan was flawed? Shouldn't you know your costs of production? After all, you ARE the builder.

One last point. Since you and your family continue to paint yourselves with an Abe Lincoln type honesty, can you explain why, if this customer loyalty you claim to possess is for real, you haven't personally sold your homes and possesions, generating cash to deliver product which was paid for? Wouldn't that be the honorable thing to do? You took offense to the "go-cart" questions raised a while back. That one hobby most likely cost way more than the cost of finishing Scott's boat. Yes, that's a personal item. I don't thnk it's honorable to have taken money to build boats, used it as personal income, then defend your actions with excuses about the production costs being too high.

Do the right thing. Pay your judgements. Settle your lawsuits. Deliver the boats. Then come back here and tell us how great you are.

Yes it is. If I lived within an hour of Pantera I would stop by and see the newly finished boat being delivered this week so that I could announce some good news about Pantera!

It's the behavior.....

Bingo!!

True.....Pantera's behavior towards its clients in unbelievable. Not so sure how they have managed to snow everyone except they make each client feel they are "special" and part of the family, when in reality the client ends up being a victim, or part of the problem (much like a pyramid scheme).