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24' SE Pantera Build thread
Some of you may recognize this boat from Kris who painted it a few years ago. I have been working on it for the past three months after stripping a 1989 24' Vector Python that was rotted. The Vector was a 454/bravo boat so I have used 99% of it for the 1980 Pantera. The Pantera will be powered by the 454 with some descent parts. I am coming down the home stretch and hoping to get it in the water Sunday or Monday night. I have a ton of pictures of the build but cut it down to a few.
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Stripped and retained the original cabin doors and lid then lacquered.
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Not to derail your thread but I have the front seats and backseats out of a 24 python if anybody needs them.
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post the pics and walk us thru the build, everyone on here likes that stuff.
where is the python, i want to buy the engine hatch off of it ! |
Nicely done!
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Looks good! I talked to you at the Chesapeake Inn last year with my White 22 Avanti.....glad to see it's coming along
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Originally Posted by cdail28590
(Post 4563726)
Not to derail your thread but I have the front seats and backseats out of a 24 python if anybody needs them.
I used the front drop out frames from my python. The back seat and sides will not fit an SE but might fit a pantera sport. |
Originally Posted by outonsafari
(Post 4563797)
post the pics and walk us thru the build, everyone on here likes that stuff.
where is the python, i want to buy the engine hatch off of it ! Where are you located? PM me your number and i'll send you some pics of the hatch. Thanks |
Originally Posted by vintage chromoly
(Post 4563811)
Nicely done!
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Originally Posted by mbobb
(Post 4563916)
Looks good! I talked to you at the Chesapeake Inn last year with my White 22 Avanti.....glad to see it's coming along
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Originally Posted by cdail28590
(Post 4563726)
Not to derail your thread but I have the front seats and backseats out of a 24 python if anybody needs them.
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Originally Posted by mbobb
(Post 4563916)
Looks good! I talked to you at the Chesapeake Inn last year with my White 22 Avanti.....glad to see it's coming along
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I have some feedback I'd like to share.
With a standard rotation 25 mirage I am running a solid 65 on gps at 4800-4900 rpm. Two guys less than 340lbs with 40 gallons fuel, trimmed out on flat water. I am pretty happy with this but would like to see higher 60's. Also around 3500 rpm I am at 47ish mph (aprox 15-16% slip at both speeds) One run was with 3 people @ 455 lbs, 3/4 tank fuel against my friend's ski gps'd 68 earlier in the day and we were dead even. He was on flat water by the shore and I was in the channel with a little chop. 454ci gen VI bottom end, #088 square port heads, Weiand Team G intake, lightning headers, holley HP950 carb, full msd ignition. Comp Cam XM270HR 0.510 int./0.510 exh. lift, 218 int./224 exh. duration, 112 lobe separation with I believe 1.7 roller rockers. The boat's x dimesion is 16.5". It was originally an alpha boat. It's now a Bravo 1.5 ratio. I don't think the weight is going to play too much of a role with this boat but I have no cabin, dual batteries, bennet tabs with electric rams so no pump, no stereo. Simple cockpit but very much a stripped down boat. There is an anchor in the cabin...40lbs? I have a 25 hydromotive 4 blade and a 26 laser 2 to try. Do I try a mirage 27 or a Bravo I 26? I heard the bravo I will lose top end but also read somewhere that the drive depth would work better with a 4 blade prop. Is this true? I also don't know if I should look at the mirage plus props. Thank you! |
how sure are you about that 16.5 x ? my math says 5 5/16 prop shaft depth, that's close to where i want to put my drive. (5 1/8)
are you using a standard mercury lower with side pickups ? how much hp / trq you think your making ? thanks |
Standard Bravo, side pickups. Although I use a through hull pickup.
prop shaft is about 6" below the pad. maybe 425hp, not sure. |
Try a 23 Mirage plus, Can you or will the motor spin higher rpm safely
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It will spin higher but it's a 330 horse bottom end. 5k rpm is its limit.
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I have an 82' pantera im getting ready to convert fron trs to bravo. What did you set your x dimension at or did you stay with the factory height? Im considering raising mine 2" ,but im not sure if that gonna create hood clearances issues or not. Thanks
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At 18" I have 1/2 to 3/4 of a inch clearance at the top of my CMI headers to Engine Hatch
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Originally Posted by Duck Diggler
(Post 4571825)
I have an 82' pantera im getting ready to convert fron trs to bravo. What did you set your x dimension at or did you stay with the factory height? Im considering raising mine 2" ,but im not sure if that gonna create hood clearances issues or not. Thanks
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so somebody got Kris's boat and is treating it right. just found thuis build thread. I thought about that boat. shoulda thought harder. my 79 SE is really nice for original, but it is still orig. I am building essentially same motor but has forged small dome mag pistons and rods. TRS Merctrans. never seen with drive on, but I am gonna measure drive and hull to get guesstimate how far in the water stock TRS propshaft was-is. I know the bravo is 1.7 inches shorter, so same x-dim will give nearly 2 inch higher prop.
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Originally Posted by dereknkathy
(Post 4572038)
so somebody got Kris's boat and is treating it right. just found thuis build thread. I thought about that boat. shoulda thought harder. my 79 SE is really nice for original, but it is still orig. I am building essentially same motor but has forged small dome mag pistons and rods. TRS Merctrans. never seen with drive on, but I am gonna measure drive and hull to get guesstimate how far in the water stock TRS propshaft was-is. I know the bravo is 1.7 inches shorter, so same x-dim will give nearly 2 inch higher prop.
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Kris ended up buying a very early 24 around the same time he sold this
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A buddy and I had a chance to run in some chop Saturday. It was two plus feet and against the tide and the wind at our back. I cannot even describe how it handled, I am used to getting bounced around on a typical 20 degree boat. It was a blast!
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It is the smallest true offshore hull. Everything else in this size belongs in the back bays. Where are you running it? I am getting my knees replaced on friday. I have a 3 month vacation coming. I am getting a motor in this beastie this late summer-early fall. Would be interesting to get a few pics of an early Sport and an SE in the same color.
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Originally Posted by dereknkathy
(Post 4574813)
It is the smallest true offshore hull. Everything else in this size belongs in the back bays. Where are you running it? I am getting my knees replaced on friday. I have a 3 month vacation coming. I am getting a motor in this beastie this late summer-early fall. Would be interesting to get a few pics of an early Sport and an SE in the same color.
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In love with these graphics. E-Man Motorsports Custom Vinyl Graphics Cindy hooked me up, She also did my registration on the front.
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Updated numbers with half tank fuel. Also learned the spring in the vacuum secondaries was not allowing the backside to open all the way, it does now!
Two guys, Mirage 25 lab'd 66.8 mph, 5200 rpm Three guys,Mirage 25 plus 66.2 mph, 5200 rpm I have to get better numbers with my regular mirage 25 I normally run. I still want to try my friend's Bravo 1 24 and hydromotive 25. https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...ea&oe=5A1D0970 |
Bravo 1, 24 pitch, 5000rpm, 66.7mph
Cruise was 45mph @ 3500rpm https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...ae&oe=5A39871C |
I guess you don't want it closer to 6k at WOT, so a 23 mirage might be a bit shorter than you wanna try. I also have a cleaver that came with the TRS. Not sure if 23 or 25. Once I can get back downstairs I am gonna start digging stuff out. I assembled the short block just before the knee job. Now I am stuck in bed sucking oxycodone and doing all my boating by surfing OSO...
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To the OP.....boat looks great
darek, hoping for a speedy recovery for you! |
Originally Posted by dereknkathy
(Post 4576651)
I guess you don't want it closer to 6k at WOT, so a 23 mirage might be a bit shorter than you wanna try. I also have a cleaver that came with the TRS. Not sure if 23 or 25. Once I can get back downstairs I am gonna start digging stuff out. I assembled the short block just before the knee job. Now I am stuck in bed sucking oxycodone and doing all my boating by surfing OSO...
Originally Posted by vintage chromoly
(Post 4576684)
To the OP.....boat looks great
darek, hoping for a speedy recovery for you! |
Thank you both! And what IS the 64 coupe?
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Originally Posted by dereknkathy
(Post 4576780)
Thank you both! And what IS the 64 coupe?
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Beautiful car. Had a few. I still consider 71's late model... man how stuff used to rust back then. Bought a 67 Fairlane GT for parts. I cut 7 spot welds at the firewall and the car broke in half.
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Originally Posted by dereknkathy
(Post 4576937)
Beautiful car. Had a few. I still consider 71's late model... man how stuff used to rust back then. Bought a 67 Fairlane GT for parts. I cut 7 spot welds at the firewall and the car broke in half.
You're in NJ, i'm not surprised the least bit lol Do you run the Delaware river at all? |
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