I believe 4 magnums were build, The history is posted on Facebook about them.

Berk says he owns the molds. See above.

As far as I know he does not, he's just stirring the pot. I'm sure I could dig and find out the full real story, but is it really worth it at the end of the day, Nope.

How do you know that Berk doesn't ow the the molds?

Do you any idea how badly Pantera fu8ked Berk ? A good record of it exists here on oso.

Looking back at this post, the OP has a solicitor involved so that may help clear up any issues over ownership of the molds.
As he is based in Turkey and the molds are in the U.S. I'd suggest having your own solicitor do some due diligence as well if you're interested in buying the molds. If you're not interested, don't waste his time inquiring. :)

Time we heard from the OP to reaffirm his position.

RR

oso is a public forum where anyone can write anything. Berk was offered his boat unrigged and 50k back and he declined it and wanted to go legal. Stop being a troll, you don't own a pantera, you didn't have one ordered, I don't know why your so concerned with this.

Brilliant.

What ? :faint2:

Just wondering why he's got so much hate for pantera and why he cares about this topic?

If they had 50k to give him, why wouldn't they have just spent 40k on an engine package and finished the boat???

Why do you care so much??? 17 posts in 5 years and most are in this thread

[QUOTE=Griff;4587929]If they had 50k to give him, why wouldn't they have just spent 40k on an engine package and finished the boat???



Why do you care so much??? 17 posts in 5 years and most are in this thread[/QUOTEI

I do not know all of the details that went down back then.

As for your second question, It's simple. I like Pepe as a Person. I never met Jo and I've never met Pepe in person, but I've owned two Pantera's. However, if I sent Pepe a message tonight asking a question about my boat, He would get back to me. I've never bought a new Pantera or any parts from him and he doesn't owe me anything. He's been through hell the past few years and yet he doesn't tell me to pound sand or ask for money, He just helps. You don't stay in business 40 years making a crappy product and ripping people off. Like someone said he threw the hail Mary and came up short. On top of that he lost his son and best friend. Put yourself in his shoes. I know I would've tried anything to save Pantera if it was me. If Pantera survived and Jo was still around you would all still be talking about how great the boats are, instead you come on here and bash away. If the ones that lost money wanna come here and bash they have a right too, but is it really needed several years later? It's business, write it off and move on.

How do you know what people on here own and don't own?

It's not hard to figure out who owns what in this day and age.

LOL typical crazy Pantera thread ! I loved all my conversations with Jo , Pepe, and Linda . Hell Ive spent hours talking to Jo and it hit me hard when he died .And they did build a great boat . One of the toughest in the industry however they were horrible business people . I nor most people believe they had any intention of screwing people , However they did ! You take 100K deposit on a boat and you got three owners needing their salaries on top of a couple employees then rent and utilities . 8K materials to build the hull , 10K for the upholstery you contracted out and guess what ? you don't have the money to buy the motor package so now you need the next guys deposit to finish this boat . It's a vicious cycle that never ended because of a dream and a fear of failing . The court system is just as guilty for not stopping it from happing years ago and allowing to happen over and over again .
Your on here defending Charles Manson for murdering people because he was charming !
And really who's hurting Pepe and the Pantera name right now ? YOU ARE ! You're on here trying to defend a situation you know nothing about causing all the other members to tell their stories and drag it all to the surface again when it was very quiet . I'm sure your a great guy but its time to walk away and leave it alone because you have no clue how bad it can get .
And I own several Pantera's so I bought my ticket to leave this commit !

Why don't we make this easy and legal.

I'm a nice guy. Never been arrested, never been in a lawsuit. Send me a check for $50k for me not to build you a boat.

I'll get $50k. You get to write it off as business.

We'll both be happy. Or will we ? Sounds like you'd be more happy if I promised you something in return for the $50k and I didn't produce it for you. Twisted thinking/reasoning !

You're talking out of your a_s.
Berk was given ownership of the molds to partially satisfy the judgement he has against Pantera.

Pantera was a Ponzi scheme. The owners lived beyond middle class lives...while their business generated far less profit then the family siphoned off.

You're defending the Bernie Madoff of boat builders.

yes the same Charles Manson who sold you a trailer at cost and waited around all day on a holiday for you to come get it. Guess that's why he's not in business anymore....

sure post your name and address, I'll get it right over.

what you think I'm like CNN posting fake news🤔, go ahead and try to buy the molds then , see if I'm lying.

We could argue this all day and I'm sure senior berk is sitting back lol reading it and I'm obviously not changing your minds. I'm just here posting facts and my opinions. Have nice day gentleman.

So that means Berk must be lying. Right?
One of you must be posting "fake news".

You just 100% proved my point that you are directly connected to Pepe , Linda , or the Sister who's name I don't know . Your account is fake ! Jo told me when he ordered the trailer he made a couple hundred off it which didn't matter one way or another but what does matter is that was 9 years ago and theres no way you found that info in an old post . That would be older then your account . But that is the day I met all 3 of them for the first time and the trailer was the trap . Get this guy that just told us he's about to buy a new boat here by offering him a trailer cheap and lets beg him for a 10K deposit for the 28 stepped side boat that they let me and the wife climb in while we were there . I almost did but thank god I didn't because I would be in the same boat (poor choice of words) as all the other people they screwed . I later came to find out that they sold that same hull to 4 different people ...
So I talked to Berk when he posted the molds for sale , Just curious as to what he felt they were worth? He gave Pantera 150k to have a boat built but had about 225K after legal fees . He says he would be happy if he could get 200K for them . But then I find out Pepe is trying to sell the molds also so as usual its another shady clusterfuk about like everything else with Pantera and here you are causing all this $hit to be talked about !
Keep running your mouth and more will come out . Maybe you are Pepe not knowing when to just quit and walk away ! It's starting to look that way ..

No dog in this fight and I hope Berk somehow becomes whole again,,I look back at all the times I ordered new boats(never a Pantera) and I never thought anything at all when they asked for a large down payment,but lucky for me I never had any issues,
with that been said I think Panteras and the molds are only worth something when the Nunez/Pepe family is involved because of the racing history and the heritage that goes along with the name Pantera,,

Just my opinion ,,and we all know what opinions are like,,,LOL

The problem really the molds and the name really is not worth much at all. One example - Velocity could not make any cash deal selling what they had for the past 4 years period. Zip and their name produce way more than Pantera ever did in boat sale volumes plus offered a CC boat line.

Pantera has made what in the past 10 years ---- 12 to 15 boats max if that ? IMO the molds are worth 10 K to 15K max per mold and that's it, The name possible 25 K max if that. I really do not think anyone is going to outright pay 200 K for this package. 3 molds and a name that has not produced much in the past 10 years, but a lot negativity in those years. Prob under 100 K would be a top dollar for all this. More like 75 to 80 K is all it wrote IMO.

The 36 was a nice boat. Ran 90 with 525's, thats not bad. Only small problem is that it came out in 2005 and 2006 for the one with the steps (Right?)

Damn shame for Berk. Hopefully somebody will pick them up or add them to their lineup.

I should go back and state from MY post above - one, I am not saying anything here against Berk - I feel bad for the guy as well. 2nd - Velocity never had any negativity as business boat dealings thru out the many years plus they had a huge name in the offshore community areas as well.

I liked the 28 stepped bottom and the 36 as well.

I think from 2005 and up (to the stop of manu boats in 2013) they only made 4 or 5 - of the 36 model and prob for the 28 stepped bottom 5 or 6 of those. Maybe someone knows exactly instead of me guessing here. I do not think I am much off base with those numbers.

LOL Charles Manson aka gossip queen, relax. First, I have zero connection to Pepe other than talking to him and owning two Pantera's. Second, Putting your wife in a boat is sales 101, make someone want the product your selling. Third, I don't know were you get all this gossip, it's like I'm back in middle school again. Who says berk is telling the truth, they're 3 sides to every story you know...... Theirs way to many rumors on here. Berk should've took the boat and 50k in my opinion, but that my opinion, not his. Like someone else said, these molds are worth nothing without Pepe and Jo's names or another big name backing them.

Why doesn’t the OP weigh in here does he or does he not have the molds to sell or are they being auctioned off ? It’s simple

Once again for those that don't read the full thread and ask questions. Berk says he owns the molds and he posted his phone number to call for information.

In less then 15 minutes I found multiple Miami-Dade court judgments against Pantera and various other company names they use for appx $500,000. The most recent was April 2017. The kind of money does not represent a few minor cash flow issues.

Lotsa dogs running around here, and I don't even see a fight.

anytime a company goes outta business, everyone and their mother goes after them from the guy emptying the dumpster to the company supplying all the fiberglass for the molds . I would think a company building $150k boat, 500K would be nothing.

I'm a billionaire, Santa gave me the money for Christmas last year..............

I too owned a 28 Pantera and it was a great boat. I also had talked to Jo and Pepe on the phone several times. They were always helpful.

Just how much profit do you think there is in a 150k boat??? I would guesstimate they have 80-100k in materials and subbed out work in a 28 without labor.
When they were building maybe 10-15 boats a year??? That is 500-750k a year to cover the labor costs and all the associated costs of running a business. Not to mention, funding their race boats.

That being said, their business plan was a house of cards.
Deposits for new boats were covering past debts and finishing the builds of the previous buyer's boats that were in line before them.
They moved assets around to make debt collection nearly impossible for those with judgments against them.

listen I'm not saying everything they did was correct, I'm just saying Pepe is not Charles Manson. Some people on here are posting lies about the situation. I just posted some truths.

The Winter follies have set in early this year. Carry on. :food-smiley-007:

Wait just a minute, are you actually saying there were/are dishonest people in the boat business?

Disclaimer: I am not justifying what happened to Berk.

want to see the official court papers? or contact my lawyer? would be a better idea to be real instead of being a fan of the greatest fraud family in this industry...

guys pls do not listen to these people who are just fooling around with a keyboard. anyone who is interested can contact me or my lawyer and see the official court papers and the situation etc... do not waste time listening to people who has no idea about the facts.