no secret,
It's Marshall
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This thread is interesting now for sure to see what becomes of all this. Berk I guess since you didn’t have time to answer my email then you have all the time in the world to do as you please. Waiting on me would have been a lot better than 8k right.

I hope it work's out for everyone involved

mike

You are a delusional idiot tool. Why cant idiots like you get taken for six figures?

because I'm not dumb enough to get taken for that much? 😘 Berk wasn't taken dumbass, he was offered his boat and a payout. A good payout if you ask me. He choose to try and put pantera outta business. That plan failed, and now he's playing dirty. The guys a straight *******, The only thing that comes out of his mouth is lies and you guys all rally behind it like idiots.

Plan failed? Berk did put Pantera out of business, so how is that failing? See what I mean about delusional? It is not a good payout if Berk wanted a complete boat, may be better than what he will get now but ultimately he made that decision. How is he playing dirty? Stopping the sale of the molds to a straw buyer? You live in a fantasy world. Lies? He won the court case.

Because idiots like that don't have six figures to lay out in advance.:lolhit:....

Berk comes in here and lies about all kinds of **** and you fan boys eat it up. Berk isn't gonna stop Pantera aka Pepe from building boats again. No matter what happens with the molds Pepe is going to build boats again. Only thing that has slowed him down is Jo's passing. Berk could've had a boat if he waited a little longer. Pepe did his best to try and keep berk happy, but it was a no go. Pantera had fallen on hard times. I don't see the issue if pantera is gonna have a new owner and new business plan, but Pepe is still building the boats. What's the issue?

This thread (and the other one) are killing the Pantera name.
With all the mud slinging about who owns what and who is right/wrong, added to the possibility Pepe may be back building the boats, I can't imagine any sane person willing to plonk down a deposit or stage payments on a Pantera.
Definitely not worth the risk.

The only way something good can come out of this is if someone ends up building a boat and shows off the finished project, with a competitive price tag. I'd buy a finished product but I'd NEVER pay for a Pantera that was not ready for delivery.

RR

in todays climate, I'd be very hesitant to plunk down a large deposit on ANY custom performance boat.

Yea it’s not this Berk guy that’s trying to put Pantera out of business it’s these critters that come crawling out of the woodwork spewing this garbage that are burying Pantera.

If they think they’re going to find success after this mess they’re wrong. Anyone who might be thinking of building a new Pantera is a sport boat enthusiast, anyone who is an enthusiast reads through these forums, anyone who reads through these forums knows how to use the search function.

I for example thought the 28 was a very cool boat. But now I laugh at the idea of building one. Don’t think I’d even buy a used one because after this.

Pepe is an old man with no money, he isn't building anymore boats......that is simply fantasy talk.

Berk got a judgment, but the harder part is getting paid. If they were presenting a certified check then he might have considered an offer but after being taken, repeatedly lied to I'm not sure the "Nunez word" is worth much. If Berk thought the molds were being sold too cheap out the back door then he certainly would have stopped the auction. If he was spiteful he would simply crush them and post the video on youtube!

So now which boat company has had more drama, Apache or Pantera? :D

Fan boys? lol, you are the fan boy here. Why do you feel the need to spew garbage?

So you are saying people (including yourself) are going to avoid buying a legendary hull because of what people said about the previous owner on a thread in a forum. LOL right.

BTW, the 28 and 36 are beasts, they will both outperform about anything their size range. I am sure their will be a line to buy them even if you are not in it.

If you want to get a better read on Pantera and their history of non-payment and court judgments go to the site below and do a search on Pantera boat, Pantera powerboat, Pantera racing and others Pantera names, they used many. You could also search on family names. A person could spend an evening reading these court records and get a far better understanding of a very unsavory operation.


https://www2.miami-dadeclerk.com/off...ookieSupport=1

Pretty insane. Good find. 1st page of court matters is in 1980/1981.

Bringing this info over to:
https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...ml#post4599583

You’re right I can’t speak for others but I don’t see myself ever owning a Pantera now. Reading this stuff is enough to make me feel like I have to take a shower. I don’t want a connection to a company or even the company’s name that conducted their business this way. And the supposed new owner seems like a real gem too.

A line to buy a new one? If they start building again some how someone is going to take that risk?

A line to buy a used one? Cause the used sport boat market is doing so well?

I am a fan of Pantera boats and I come on here and post fact. Berk comes on here and post lies. pretty sure i was the one who came on here and said they had be auctioned he couldn't sell them and boom look what happened. This forum is full of bs lies. Pepe is going to build boats again with those molds or without them.

go in there and punch in general motors or the name of any product and watch what you get.... you guys are funny with the page

I actually get emails about both of my pantera boats and if I'm wanting to sell them. So yes, given everything that's been posted I'd say they would still sell. We have all heard someone didn't get there boat.... In my opinion and if I was in that position, I wouldn't have even thought about it I would have taken the unfinished product and refund period. It's was a foolish move not taking what was offered.

I will be in that line for a 28. I'm not scared. The only trouble I see is they didn't run the office side too well.

LOL. I'm guessing you didn't thumb thru most or all of those court documents.

Poor office side,,,lol,,,,,no way !

But,enough info has been given (especially if you go thru all those court doc's) that if you enter an agreement with those guys, you did it well informed.

And again,notice Mr Ives (the guy who supposedly bought the molds for $9k at the recent auction) name on a good amt of those documents in the 1980's...being a lawyer for Pantera at that time.

I did not. And I probably Will not look through the documents.

easy way to fix this , if someone wants a boat let them buy it :) everyone has a choice

Pepe is 70 years old and won't be building any more boats. :bong:

Yes, Buy a Pantera hull and source the hardware from Trick Marine and have Chris Sunkin do the rigging.

Someone will end up building those boats again. They will sell with the right people standing behind the product. Let's wait and see what happens.

Pepe is not 70 years old, I just spoke with him last night. Hate to break your heart, but he's building boats lol.

Good news he's building boats.
Got any pics of the one's currently in build? Everyone loves a build thread and great advertising too!

RR

You are correct.

67+ yrs old.

At :20 sec mark he says he was 25 in 1975.

Reading all these threads the past few years, one thing I think most can agree on is that the Pantera boats were for the most part well constructed when completed. Huge problem was extremely shady business practices about how, when and if ever the money was spent or collected from customers and suppliers. The only way to regain the respect of the boating community would be to build and complete about a half dozen boats from 28' to 36' and then put them on a floor plan so that a customer would be able to buy a completed vessel w/o the worry of getting in balls deep and becoming just another victim. Only then can the "Pantera" brand be returned to being considered a respected builder.

Even Fountain which is recovering and part of a somewhat stable corporation hasn't started to produce new boats without buyers so for Pantera to do this is a reach. Pantera has found their niche selling tee shirts and hoodies via their F.B. page.

I don't think Pepe is actually laying fiberglass, I would think he is supervising the build process just like he did back in 2005 when my 28 was built , And I would think age doesn't matter when supervising , While im stating my OPINION, I would also say that I think they should have the hull , deck and fuel tank's in the boat , and sale ready to rig , Like other's have said including myself he builds a strong boat just not that business savy .

mike

built 2 boats in 10 years , bankrupt , 40 year old design should be a hot seller in todays market. congrats to the first buyer https://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/...cons/icon6.gif would you accept bitcoin as payment??

Gotta say this. That 40 year old design is still kicking A$$. A 24x7 stepped superboat wasn't liked by many. The 28 is hard to beat. Can run almost as good as a lot of SVLs in rough water. And smoke them in the turns. Nothing like staying trimmed up in the corners and waiting to spin it out. The 36 can go up against anything in the class. Staggered. Looks good. Goes good.
So where's the problem with Pantera except for how they handled there money when times got tough.
You can bust Pepe. But you can't bust his boats.

If we tell you, we have to kill you,,,,,,,,

i might take that chance !

For a small fee there's probably a Pantera owner willing to let someone splash a new mold off their good hull while it's stored over the winter.