Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Sounds like you could turn a labbed 25 about 5K. I would talk to one of the prop guys here on the board. I think you could easily turn 1 more degree if it was labbed. It is sounding like a 26 might be too much but if you can borrow an unlabbed one and can turn it 4800 or better then I think by labbing it you could get your RPMs back into the 5K range.

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Ron -

I have a labbed 26 Bravo I with insert hub that you are more than welcome to try. Its for my 28 so its not for sale, but I haven't made the engine swap and you are welcome to give it a try.

I also have a stock 28 Bravo I that you can try if you like, but it sounds like the 26 will work for you.

Let me know and I'll get it right out to you.

Glad to hear your running and your wife likes the boat. If you don't post some pictures of you and family/friends in that boat soon, you cannot borrow the prop!!!! Just kidding, but I'm sure many of us would like to see some pictures of you guys enjoying the boat after all of this!!

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

I'll give you a buzz...that seafood place, SoNo Seafood, is terrible, probably better off docking at the public docks at walking over to Donovan's)

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

I don't think you should have to do anything. I cannot believe that you were sold a boat and spent all this time to get it and it is not totally dialed in. :blaster:

It just really gets to me that these custom boat builders sell you a boat and you have to spend a couple thousand dollars on props etc to get top speed out of it.

Sorry to be negative on your thread, but this is crap. I had to deal with the same thing with my AT.

I am glad you have your boat and really hope you enjoy it. :) :D :drink:

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Ron, glad to see your finally enjoying your boat.. :)

WOW,, 66 mph w/ a 525 ?? and only spinning a 24 ? I was under the impression from previous posts that this boat should run low to mid 70's ?? hope you get her dialed in.

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Hey Guys:

Regarding the prop issue..Some of you may not be aware of the fact that I'm a green horn at all this. First, I had all 140 gallons of fuel and three adults..at least 1600 lbs. Second, I'm not sure if I'm trimming the boat properly...tabs are up and trimmed to #4. I torqued the prop to 55lbs. upon installation...Is this normal torque?

The boat really runs fine and the engine is very strong. I'm on the water again and really enjoying it. Just a matter of fine tuning. I'm very, very pleased with the boat's performance and handling.

Ron

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Ron try to get a feal for the boat by yourself in all conditions without having to many people on the boat, this works better for you because you can do things that you would not do if you had four people on the boat telling you what to do. Not that this is going on, like you said your are green at this and sometimes having to many people on board can get you a bit nervous. I will be honest with you when I got my race boat last year in May, the first person to go out with me was Jo, I had the wheel and he had the sticks, and yes everytime I go out with Jo I learn something new because he is to me the best handler of our boats by far. However, it is when I was by myself that I was able to relax without the preasure of Jo`s presenes at that time. Now Jo, Pepe or even Reggie Fountain can aboard with me and I have full control of my boat at any condition. Yes its hard because you have to capture what you have left of good weather up north, but atleast keep this in mind, dont worry you will get Full Throttle and speeds when you get a great feal for the boat. Good luck to you Ron, remember that is why we are here to help you get a better feal for your boat by asking us the trim etc. and etc.


ALBERT :)

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

H20 Warrior,

Every Pantera boat we deliver is dialed in and personally tested by me out in the ocean for a couple of hours. Ron 28' was water tested by my Father since I was away on my honeymoon. Every Pantera comes standard with the correct prop.

Ron did not order a labbed finish prop. Labbed props are very sensetive so for most customers the extra performance increase is not that important to them for every day boating conditions.

The 28' model powered by a single 525 EFI will run in the 72-74 MPH range in a "full pleasure" configuration. Water conditions,heat and humidity,passenger load, fuel load, and very important "the driver" will all come into play on the boats performance. Remember the 28' comes standard with a 140 gallon gas tank and at 6.2 pounds a gallon it can add alot of weight in a hurry. If you are running 50 gallons compared to 140 gallons there is approximately 500 pounds difference and a few MPH loss in a single engine application. In an average 150 pounds will equal in about 1 mph loss in performance.

The 525 EFI will increase performance once it breaks in. I told Ron that when he brings his 28' down to Florida in the Winter Months I will either drive over to the West coast of Florida and spend a day teaching him how to drive the boat or we could do it here in Miami out in the Ocean.

Ron, go out and enjoy it and get use to it and I will spend time with you soon !!!

Regards,

JO - Pantera Boats

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Ron, take it out alone. You can just run it at different angles to the waves to get a good feel for her.
Trim it up... even too much. Use the tabs alot, so you know what they can do.

Practice, practice, practice. Quit your day job and learn how to run that puppy. :)

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Dump the FUEL!! Leave 20 gal in and you'll be stylin :)

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Ron, I agree - dump the fuel. My boat only has 75 gallons and believe me, half a tank makes a noticeable difference. Furthermore, I wouldn't be too worried about top end. Believe it or not, even though you were just cruising in that chop yesterday, I was having all I could do to run with you - I was simply in the air too much to get any real speed up. I can't even use half the power I have in those waves. Unless you're out there running next to a big Cigarette, there aren't too many boats that are going to hang with you even at 66mph on the Sound.

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Not too many boats, but some! ;) :D

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

The 28 loves the rough

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Ron -

My offer stands for you try my 26 Labbed Prop. Otherwise as everyone has stated, just get used to the boat and don't worry about top end yet. Once you learn to drive it well, then start tweeking.

These boats are not for any knucklehead, they are like Ferraris on the water. Take your time, play in all types of water conditions and have fun!

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Hi Kirk,

I have actually ran a 26' pitch labbed 4 blade Bravo 1 on several 28' single powered by 500 EFIs and spun the prop at 5200 RPM and seen 72 - 73 MPH on gps.

With the 525 EFI it should spin 150-200 more rpm and run a few more MPH.

On the Carrabas 28' P5 race boat that is powered by a single 500 EFI and a full pleasure boat is actually spinning a 26' Bravo 1 labbed off of F1-71 at 5250 RPM. I tested the boat out in the Ocean last year with 3/4 tank of gas and by myself on board out in 2 footers in the Ocean.

The 28' "full pleasure" really needs 1-2 footers to get it really running. I have always said : I would rather have the handling over the top end any day. It seems like the 28s are winning every race in P5 class this year in rough water due to the handling and rough water ride.

I think if you are going to go with a labbed prop on the 28' powered by a single 525 EFI full pleasure that a 26' cut back to a 25' will do the trick with fuel and a few passengers on board.

Stay in touch !!

JO

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Boy she sure looks sweet!! :D

Hope everyone likes the pics.

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Boats way wet get a pic running all trimed out

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Had the wife this day...breasts were bouncing around. She didn't want to go too fast. Will have to train her as I go.

Brian: Hope you didn't get hit too hard down there. Stay safe & dry

Ron

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Speed Buff - This one's for you!!!

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...2&page=8&pp=20

Speed Buff - So is this !!

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

thanks jromy :rolleyes: i see they both love their pantera 28s !! :evilb: it would suck if you waited and got a **** delivered to you.i see the customer dominick has owned 2 pantera 28s on one of his post.
both boats are bad ass!!

dominick post : I talked to Jo today and everything seems to be okay. This my second pantera. I am very loyal to this brand and family, i sold one to my best buddy also. Its the only boat i think i will ever own and want to own. I live in NY, so our boating season isnt as long as some other states. We go from memorial day to just past labor day, so you can see why my friend Chuck was trying to get some answers . He did that and i thank him for being a caring friend. I hope that what he wrote diddnt get to many people upset. I enjoy dealing w/Linda, Jo, PEPE, AND BARBIE. I consider them to be my friends, and i do no that they do make a great boat[awesome boat]. So thanks for all the feedback and JO thanks for letting me no whats up. HAPPY B-DAY JO. DOMINICK

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

jromy, i see from this old post you made on this thread you were also impressed with the ride and handling of the pantera 28' owned by full throttle 525 also :D that says allot coming from you !!! :evilb:
jromy post :Believe it or not, even though you were just cruising in that chop yesterday, I was having all I could do to run with you - I was simply in the air too much to get any real speed up. I can't even use half the power I have in those waves. Unless you're out there running next to a big Cigarette, there aren't too many boats that are going to hang with you even at 66mph on the Sound.

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

True... I Love my Boat!!

Re: Hey Full Throttle 525
 

Hey ron how about some new pics of full throttle out in the sound. I need a little fix to help me with all this waiting.

This is pathetic. I was starting to feel just a little bit bad for the Nunez family for all of the recent bashing but no longer. I just read this whole thread, with a break to go vote. These guys need to be stopped. Time for chapter 7. :picard1:

ThirdChildhood:

That was a long time ago. 7 years ago. When I received my boat and took it for a ride I had lots of fun. Mechanical problems happen....that's boating.

After I sold my boat, I stopped in to the factory a few times. The Nunez family have been nothing but good people. Small boat builders do not have the luxury of big boat company financing and/or stockholders equity.

Patience is really needed. If one can't understand that, then buy a production boat.

I enjoyed my boat tremendously.

Ron

well put... your old boat is getting a repower as we speak.. he got a little pully happy while sipping on some race fuel and had a little meltdown. should be done soon tho.

I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed your boat. Curious as to why you sold it if you were so happy with it and after all of the waiting and disappointments. A custom boat need not take years to build. Outerlimits will build you one of their new 29s in three months. Others have not been as patient as you including a poster in your thread who took legal action. The problem seems to be that buyers don't know that it will take 2 tears to get their boat. TWO YEARS! Sorry. There is no defending that.

i absolutely love my pantera boat but would sell it in a second.... so i can buy a 36 PANTERA!!!!!

Agree. I think that's the real root of the problem. No transparency upfront.

As for the rest of the folks who do actually eventually receive their boats and enjoy them, good for them - we're all happy to hear that. I know they're all they're cracked up to be!

By all means, go for it! Berk may actually get his boat then.

coffee on keyboard

if i gave you 100k how long would it take for YOU to build me a new boat??

If I was in the boat business, I'd expect roughly 3-6 months to be reasonable, give or take - like most all other manufacturers. But I'm not in the boat business, so don't bother sending me any money because I wouldn't take it from you without being able to deliver anything to you, that's just me. If someone told me it would take any longer than that, I'd run the other way.

Tim, do you know how long it takes Magnum to build a new 51?

let me google it and get back to you on that

No need, I'll have kyle call for a quote!:lolhit:

lmao

People are starting to talk on here that it takes longer to build these boats and that's what makes them better.

These guys could build these boats in 3 to 6 months too.
They aren't taking 2 years because it's custom. They are taking two years because they are waiting for the next victim to show up.

I gathered it doesn't take 4-8 months to bolt and engine and some bolsters on a boat. But maybe 2-3 months for a sea trial in the ocean is reasonable?