F2-71 in KW today
11-23-2004 | 08:23 PM
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Re: F2-71 in KW today
Thanks guys for your support.
I also had Mike Girard on the wheel at this race.Even though Mike is a racer with many years experience racing a 38' Cigarette Non stepped and a 40 and 46' Skater he campaigned with his Father in Superboat class a few years back sponsored by Sloppy Joes Key West was his first full race with me on the wheel and he did a great job. At Deerfield we only did 1 full lap together. By the second race at Key West he felt comfortable turning the boat at high speeds with the stepped bottom. He normally throttles instead of Driving the boat.
When you hammer it at the start and get to the first turn 2 miles away and all 6 F2 boats are still side by side you have to be confident with each other and the competitors next to you.You are going over 90 MPH a few feet from each other and now have to make a sharp left turn and head into real 5 footers at WOT.
That first lap on the outside leg on Saturdays race is something that I will not forget. I looked over to one side and I had the Formula and one Donzi. I looked over the other way and a few feet away you had the other Donzi , Phantom , and the Fountain and everyone is going for it.The F2-71 was haulin in the rough. The Stepps worked awesome and the boat flew nice and level.
We really do learn alot while racing these boats in rough water conditions at high speeds that we incorporate into our customers Panteras. For example : You test props, drive heights , balance - CG placement , Stress points in your fiberglass lamination , and turning and handling characteristics at high speeds. There is a big difference while testing a boat on your own than pushing it to its limits in a race coarse. We tested the same props that we raced with - 5 blade Hydros here in the bay and were running in an average of 89 - 90 MPH. In race conditions in this race we clicked the tattle tale at 91.5 MPH on the Limiters. It goes to show you that you are just pushing that much harder. In a race you are turning the boat at 75-80 MPH. In a pleasure boat ride these are speeds that are not necessary to do a turn at. You learn the handling of the boat and what needs to be done to improve on your designs. I must say the bottom on our twin stepped 36' Survivor is right on. It handles perfect. We worked closely with bottom designer John Cosker from the Callan Marine race team and must say that we are impressed with all his efforts in this project.
Regards,
Jo - Pantera Boats
PS By the way we were running 28' pitch P5X Hydros that were labbed by Throttle up at 5450 RPM. I can say this now since F2 will be powered by twin 496 HOs next year or Innovation marine motors.The set up will be different now.
I also had Mike Girard on the wheel at this race.Even though Mike is a racer with many years experience racing a 38' Cigarette Non stepped and a 40 and 46' Skater he campaigned with his Father in Superboat class a few years back sponsored by Sloppy Joes Key West was his first full race with me on the wheel and he did a great job. At Deerfield we only did 1 full lap together. By the second race at Key West he felt comfortable turning the boat at high speeds with the stepped bottom. He normally throttles instead of Driving the boat.
When you hammer it at the start and get to the first turn 2 miles away and all 6 F2 boats are still side by side you have to be confident with each other and the competitors next to you.You are going over 90 MPH a few feet from each other and now have to make a sharp left turn and head into real 5 footers at WOT.
That first lap on the outside leg on Saturdays race is something that I will not forget. I looked over to one side and I had the Formula and one Donzi. I looked over the other way and a few feet away you had the other Donzi , Phantom , and the Fountain and everyone is going for it.The F2-71 was haulin in the rough. The Stepps worked awesome and the boat flew nice and level.
We really do learn alot while racing these boats in rough water conditions at high speeds that we incorporate into our customers Panteras. For example : You test props, drive heights , balance - CG placement , Stress points in your fiberglass lamination , and turning and handling characteristics at high speeds. There is a big difference while testing a boat on your own than pushing it to its limits in a race coarse. We tested the same props that we raced with - 5 blade Hydros here in the bay and were running in an average of 89 - 90 MPH. In race conditions in this race we clicked the tattle tale at 91.5 MPH on the Limiters. It goes to show you that you are just pushing that much harder. In a race you are turning the boat at 75-80 MPH. In a pleasure boat ride these are speeds that are not necessary to do a turn at. You learn the handling of the boat and what needs to be done to improve on your designs. I must say the bottom on our twin stepped 36' Survivor is right on. It handles perfect. We worked closely with bottom designer John Cosker from the Callan Marine race team and must say that we are impressed with all his efforts in this project.
Regards,
Jo - Pantera Boats
PS By the way we were running 28' pitch P5X Hydros that were labbed by Throttle up at 5450 RPM. I can say this now since F2 will be powered by twin 496 HOs next year or Innovation marine motors.The set up will be different now.
11-23-2004 | 11:46 PM
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Re: F2-71 in KW today
[QUOTE=JO - PANTERABOATS]Thanks guys for your suppor
When you hammer it at the start and get to the first turn 2 miles away and all 6 F2 boats are still side by side you have to be confident with each other and the competitors next to you.You are going over 90 MPH a few feet from each other and now have to make a sharp left turn and head into real 5 footers at WOT.
There is a big difference while testing a boat on your own than pushing it to its limits in a race coarse. . It goes to show you that you are just pushing that much harder. In a race you are turning the boat at 75-80 MPH. In a pleasure boat ride these are speeds that are not necessary to do a turn at. You learn the handling of the boat and what needs to be done to improve on your designs. I must say the bottom on our twin stepped 36' Survivor is right on. It handles perfect. We worked closely with bottom designer John Cosker from the Callan Marine race team and must say that we are impressed with all his efforts in this project.
Jo - Pantera Boats
AMEN, you must race to know the true fealing in a coarse for 45 minutes at WOT.
When you hammer it at the start and get to the first turn 2 miles away and all 6 F2 boats are still side by side you have to be confident with each other and the competitors next to you.You are going over 90 MPH a few feet from each other and now have to make a sharp left turn and head into real 5 footers at WOT.
There is a big difference while testing a boat on your own than pushing it to its limits in a race coarse. . It goes to show you that you are just pushing that much harder. In a race you are turning the boat at 75-80 MPH. In a pleasure boat ride these are speeds that are not necessary to do a turn at. You learn the handling of the boat and what needs to be done to improve on your designs. I must say the bottom on our twin stepped 36' Survivor is right on. It handles perfect. We worked closely with bottom designer John Cosker from the Callan Marine race team and must say that we are impressed with all his efforts in this project.
Jo - Pantera Boats
AMEN, you must race to know the true fealing in a coarse for 45 minutes at WOT.
12-06-2004 | 01:52 PM
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Re: F2-71 in KW today
Thanks Mike !!
Even though we took a close 2nd on all 3 races it was a good knowing that our 35' Survivor handled awesome and really performed great all week long.It boiled down to prop testing since we were so close to the Donzi Factory race Boat all week long.
Donzi F2 - Compared to F2-71 Average speeds and time difference.
Our average speeds on race # 1 75.72 to a 75.05 - 13 second difference
Our average speeds on Race # 2 80.60 to a 80.32 - 5 second difference
Our average speeds on race # 3 75.63 to a 75.41 - Approximately 10 - 15 seconds
We definetely gave it 100 % and we ran the boat as hard as you can possibly run a boat.
It was a great group of Factory backed race boats and everybody ran as hard as possible and very smart.
I have some incredible race pics. that are coming in this week from the outside part of the coarse. I will post them when I get them in.
Regards,
JO - Pantera Boats
Even though we took a close 2nd on all 3 races it was a good knowing that our 35' Survivor handled awesome and really performed great all week long.It boiled down to prop testing since we were so close to the Donzi Factory race Boat all week long.
Donzi F2 - Compared to F2-71 Average speeds and time difference.
Our average speeds on race # 1 75.72 to a 75.05 - 13 second difference
Our average speeds on Race # 2 80.60 to a 80.32 - 5 second difference
Our average speeds on race # 3 75.63 to a 75.41 - Approximately 10 - 15 seconds
We definetely gave it 100 % and we ran the boat as hard as you can possibly run a boat.
It was a great group of Factory backed race boats and everybody ran as hard as possible and very smart.
I have some incredible race pics. that are coming in this week from the outside part of the coarse. I will post them when I get them in.
Regards,
JO - Pantera Boats
Re: F2-71 in KW today
12-16-2004 | 03:27 PM
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Re: F2-71 in KW today
joe, It was good seeing the family in the keys I wish you guys the best next season and I know you guys will be first. say hi to the family and please call me so I can get those long sleeves shirts..... Andy (786)-486-6178
