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Double Rigged 04-19-2015 08:03 PM

Hey David,
If you plan on mounting some Four Strokes the R+R 3" setbacks are rated for the Verados.
Really nice brackets. Just sayin!

davidmercury 04-19-2015 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Double Rigged (Post 4294089)
Hey David,
If you plan on mounting some Four Strokes the R+R 3" setbacks are rated for the Verados.
Really nice brackets. Just sayin!


Originally Posted by Lake rat Skater (Post 4293097)
David, care to share more info on the hull changes/setup for this season? Also I heard buckeye lake may have a rough summer ahead, looks like it's time for you to bring it this way!

Ive removed my 2.5s, jackplates and inside brackets so that I can get the tunnel pods removed and reduced in size quite a bit, and also im changing the separation distance between the engines to bring everything in tighter. The goal is to lessen the air compression in the tunnel and stern lift that is taking place at top speed which has been preventing the set up from reaching its full potential.
Ive decided to stay with my beloved 2.5s. No verados in my near future

davidmercury 05-08-2015 06:56 PM

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Skater brothers

davidmercury 06-02-2015 06:37 PM

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glassdave is working on the infamous tunnel pods, cut down, reshaped, and vacuum bagged

Double Rigged 06-02-2015 07:40 PM

Nice David, Don't you know your supposed to be running the boat in the spring/summer months and doing that kind of stuff in the winter LOL!!!!
I have the same problem. Start too many projects and end up working on the boat versus just using it!!!!:cool-smiley-011:

davidmercury 06-02-2015 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by Double Rigged (Post 4312336)
Nice David, Don't you know your supposed to be running the boat in the spring/summer months and doing that kind of stuff in the winter LOL!!!!
I have the same problem. Start too many projects and end up working on the boat versus just using it!!!!:cool-smiley-011:

I hear ya bro

Flightplan 06-02-2015 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Double Rigged (Post 4312336)
Nice David, Don't you know your supposed to be running the boat in the spring/summer months and doing that kind of stuff in the winter LOL!!!!
I have the same problem. Start too many projects and end up working on the boat versus just using it!!!!:cool-smiley-011:

I resemble that remark.

glassdave 06-02-2015 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Double Rigged (Post 4312336)
Nice David, Don't you know your supposed to be running the boat in the spring/summer months and doing that kind of stuff in the winter LOL!!!!
I have the same problem. Start too many projects and end up working on the boat versus just using it!!!!:cool-smiley-011:

its my bad on that, David had it scheduled earlier then this. Just had a crazy workload this winter thats just now coming together, was super mega overbooked lol. I'm actually booking for winter already :cool:

skate 06-02-2015 11:58 PM

It must be contagious. I just finished reworking my hub seals, carpet, knee kick pad upholstery, and wiring issues. Now back to my regular schedule and some CE Friday. Hopefully I can get out of the shop cleaned up and some photos for everyone this weekend. LOTO is going to be a must attend for everyone!!

LAriverratt 06-03-2015 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by skate (Post 4312512)
It must be contagious. I just finished reworking my hub seals, carpet, knee kick pad upholstery, and wiring issues. Now back to my regular schedule and some CE Friday. Hopefully I can get out of the shop cleaned up and some photos for everyone this weekend. LOTO is going to be a must attend for everyone!!

LOTO is a hard one for me...the dates coincide with so many things both work and play...the play dates I can miss for LOTO...the work I can't...only way is flying in for a couple days and then right back home LOL.

is the 36 going to make LOTO david?

SkaterMike82 06-03-2015 11:16 AM

85 days and counting for LOTO. Ruffled Feathers will be there.

skate 06-03-2015 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by LAriverratt (Post 4312561)
LOTO is a hard one for me...the dates coincide with so many things both work and play...the play dates I can miss for LOTO...the work I can't...only way is flying in for a couple days and then right back home LOL.

is the 36 going to make LOTO david?

Fly in we will get you in my boat or a boat for sure!

davidmercury 06-03-2015 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LAriverratt (Post 4312561)
LOTO is a hard one for me...the dates coincide with so many things both work and play...the play dates I can miss for LOTO...the work I can't...only way is flying in for a couple days and then right back home LOL.

is the 36 going to make LOTO david?

2014 Loto was a bucket list thing for us. My run was less than ideal having to have hundreds of lbs of ballast in the stern to counter the excessive stern lift that I was experiencing at top speed. Afterwards I vowed to try hard to correct this problem so that my 36 could reach its full potential.
We were holding off on Loto this year until the modifications to the tunnel pods are completed and the new engine spacing and dialing in is done.
I sure hope this all works

tom kennedy 06-03-2015 11:03 PM


Originally Posted by SkaterMike82 (Post 4312692)
85 days and counting for LOTO. Ruffled Feathers will be there.

Counting the days !!! I can't wait

LAriverratt 06-04-2015 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by skate (Post 4312774)
Fly in we will get you in my boat or a boat for sure!

thanks for the offer sam....for the second time! we have never met...you are a trusting skater brother LOL... If I do come it will be a last minute decision; I'll let ya know in advance as much as possible. skater fest is something I'd like to make as well.

so next year you planning on making the shoot out again david?

SkaterMike82 06-04-2015 08:30 AM

http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/...psavlvjkif.jpg

84 & counting... Hopefully within a month we shall be testing.

davidmercury 06-04-2015 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by LAriverratt (Post 4313018)
thanks for the offer sam....for the second time! we have never met...you are a trusting skater brother LOL... If I do come it will be a last minute decision; I'll let ya know in advance as much as possible. skater fest is something I'd like to make as well.

so next year you planning on making the shoot out again david?

Yes we would like to go back in 2016, it is a blast, staying at camden on the lake.is the best. Would like to put up a much better number in the shootout second time sround.
I cant wait to get the skater back. Its looking like this sunday ill.be going to.pick her up at glass daves

davidmercury 06-06-2015 07:32 PM

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GlassDave has everything done on my Skater, heres a pic of the primered transom after downsizing, reshaping vacuum bagging, sanding.the tunnel pods. Great job!

glassdave 06-07-2015 09:16 PM

man thats gotta be good for some speed or something :D . . . . thanks for bring'in her up David. it was a tough schedule this last winter, still digging my self out from undernieth (literally in your case lol) also glad we found your lucky wood trailer block to :D

davidmercury 06-08-2015 07:41 PM

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After and before, it's time to drill.
(Check out the difference in the size of the tunnel pods):crazy:

Taboma 06-08-2015 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by da*****rcury (Post 4314818)
After and before, it's time to drill.
(Check out the difference in the size of the tunnel pods):crazy:

Nice BOOB reduction! More than a mouthful is always too much!@! David

Andy 06-08-2015 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by da*****rcury (Post 4314818)
After and before, it's time to drill.
(Check out the difference in the size of the tunnel pods):crazy:

Dave did you design the pods using any test method (computer formula)or just the trial and see method (your brain and fortitude)? I wonder what would be the result of no pods? Are they needed to increase water flow/pressure just before the speedmaster water inlet's. You will definitely be faster by allowing more air under and through the tunnel giving you more lift. You may also have to lower the engines (drives too high) due to that lift. I can't wait to see the results. Good luck!

davidmercury 06-08-2015 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by Taboma (Post 4314840)
Nice BOOB reduction! More than a mouthful is always too much!@! David

I was wondering how long it would take you guys to see the parallel. ;)

glassdave 06-08-2015 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 4314884)
Dave did you design the pods using any test method (computer formula)or just the trial and see method (your brain and fortitude)? I wonder what would be the result of no pods? Are they needed to increase water flow/pressure just before the speedmaster water inlet's. You will definitely be faster by allowing more air under and through the tunnel giving you more lift. You may also have to lower the engines (drives too high) due to that lift. I can't wait to see the results. Good luck!


its actually very hard on the mid section on ob's mounted in the tunnel. In general Davids in largely uncharted territory with a quad ob 36 but we knew those things were way to big. After talking to anyone that had experience in this area we went with the smallest possible profile and eliminated any compression betwen the pods and the sponsons, focused purely on deflection from the cav plates up.

there were afew suggestions to run without the pods but I know from experiance with an older 24' cat (not Skater) that had motors tight in the tunnel and blew out mid sections regularly.

bulletbob 06-09-2015 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by da*****rcury (Post 4314818)
After and before, it's time to drill.
(Check out the difference in the size of the tunnel pods):crazy:

Wow! That should make for one heck of a diffrence in handling and performance. I look forward to your sea trials Superdave.

davidmercury 06-09-2015 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by bulletbob (Post 4314963)
Wow! That should make for one heck of a diffrence in handling and performance. I look forward to your sea trials Superdave.

Thanks Bob, we're hoping, big time this gives me a chance to dial in using conventional means ie props and engine height, not bags of sand. :angry-smiley-044:

Taboma 06-09-2015 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by da*****rcury (Post 4315396)
Thanks Bob, we're hoping, big time this gives me a chance to dial in using conventional means ie props and engine height, not bags of sand. :angry-smiley-044:

Now, just bags of money??

bulletbob 06-10-2015 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Taboma (Post 4315432)
Now, just bags of money??

Unfortunately everything about this sport requires Bags o Money.

davidmercury 06-19-2015 07:13 PM

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I received my newly shortened (again) tie bars back from Latham Marine today I decided to tighten the distance between each engine. . Latham is outstanding to work with, my contact there is Tom Gongola. Their prices are reasonable. Their work and service is second to none

Double Rigged 06-19-2015 07:20 PM

Latham does excellant work and Tom is a great guy. He was a big help in getting Sam his parts for the pumps.

skate 06-20-2015 12:13 AM


Originally Posted by Double Rigged (Post 4320060)
Latham does excellant work and Tom is a great guy. He was a big help in getting Sam his parts for the pumps.

And overnight I might add!

Andy 06-22-2015 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by da*****rcury (Post 4320059)
I received my newly shortened (again) tie bars back from Latham Marine today I decided to tighten the distance between each engine. . Latham is outstanding to work with, my contact there is Tom Gongola. Their prices are reasonable. Their work and service is second to none

How many inches or part thereof did you bring the engines inward. What is the new measurement from the center prop-shaft to outer engine propshaft? I'll also send you a few "good" pix the sportsmaster below the hull, approx 1 3/4" =hull bottom to center of the bullet. Same on both engines, still wondering why I get such a bouncing water pressure from the side I slung a blade lh. Sorry for hijacking your thread, just a learning curve for me.

davidmercury 06-22-2015 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 4321161)
How many inches or part thereof did you bring the engines inward. What is the new measurement from the center prop-shaft to outer engine propshaft? I'll also send you a few "good" pix the sportsmaster below the hull, approx 1 3/4" =hull bottom to center of the bullet. Same on both engines, still wondering why I get such a bouncing water pressure from the side I slung a blade lh. Sorry for hijacking your thread, just a learning curve for me.

Andy, I had the 3 bars shortened 2.5 " each. Taking the outside engine prop shaft center meaurement to 66.75" (from 74.25") the reason I did this is to bring the 2 outside props in closer to the tunnel to help raise the bow when running.
No worries, water pressure spiking normally occurs when running fast in rough water when boat/gearcase leaving and re-entering water.
What is the water pressure like running in calm water?

Andy 06-22-2015 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by da*****rcury (Post 4321238)
Andy, I had the 3 bars shortened 2.5 " each. Taking the outside engine prop shaft center meaurement to 66.75".
No worries, water pressure spiking normally occurs when running fast in rough water when boat/gearcase leaving and re-entering water.
What is the water pressure like running in calm water?

1 5/8 is the measurement, just checked again. Just text a guy running his 24 for years, he has tried almost every engine and prop choise his brother races a 28 Skater. He is the one that told me to hang the engines off the back, no jack plate in the 4th hole on the mounting plate of the engines. Both same height. I found another 15X34 3 blade lh Merc cleaver will be here Friday for more testing, thanx Ron Hill. I'm going to swap pressure gauge left to right as there should be no deviation. LH, the one that bounces its 3-5 psi more than the right at most times. I will send pix to you as can't post them here.

davidmercury 06-23-2015 03:08 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 4321244)
1 5/8 is the measurement, just checked again. Just text a guy running his 24 for years, he has tried almost every engine and prop choise his brother races a 28 Skater. He is the one that told me to hang the engines off the back, no jack plate in the 4th hole on the mounting plate of the engines. Both same height. I found another 15X34 3 blade lh Merc cleaver will be here Friday for more testing, thanx Ron Hill. I'm going to swap pressure gauge left to right as there should be no deviation. LH, the one that bounces its 3-5 psi more than the right at most times. I will send pix to you as can't post them here.

If that doent work It might be a water impeller issue. Do you know when the last time they were replaced?

Nice Pair 06-23-2015 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 4321161)
How many inches or part thereof did you bring the engines inward. What is the new measurement from the center prop-shaft to outer engine propshaft? I'll also send you a few "good" pix the sportsmaster below the hull, approx 1 3/4" =hull bottom to center of the bullet. Same on both engines, still wondering why I get such a bouncing water pressure from the side I slung a blade lh. Sorry for hijacking your thread, just a learning curve for me.

As long as hijacking is approved, you guys are confusing me (easily done) 1 3/4" above or below the bottom ??

Good Morning, Guys :-)

Andy 06-23-2015 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Nice Pair (Post 4321375)
As long as hijacking is approved, you guys are confusing me (easily done) 1 3/4" above or below the bottom ??

Good Morning, Guys :-)

Above, bullet or front of the drive has to be above the water. New water pumps and drive shaft kits with 4 "O" rings

Skater30 06-23-2015 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 4321446)
Below, bullet or front of the drive has to be in the water. New water pumps and drive shaft kits with 4 "O" rings

The centerline of your propshafts need to be around 1.5" ABOVE the bottom of the sponsons (directly in front of the gearcase), not BELOW. The Sportmaster gearcase is designed to run at transom heights with the propshaft centerline above the bottom of the boat - up to around 2" max. If your propshaft centerlines are truly 1.5" BELOW the sponsons, you're giving up a LOT of mph..........

Andy 06-23-2015 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by Skater30 (Post 4321678)
The centerline of your propshafts need to be around 1.5" ABOVE the bottom of the sponsons (directly in front of the gearcase), not BELOW. The Sportmaster gearcase is designed to run at transom heights with the propshaft centerline above the bottom of the boat - up to around 2" max. If your propshaft centerlines are truly 1.5" BELOW the sponsons, you're giving up a LOT of mph..........

So sorry, yes, prop centerline of my 24 is ABOVE the hull directly in front of the bullet. Mine is 1 5/8 above. I have changed all my reply's.

Nice Pair 08-02-2015 09:43 AM

Hey David, how's the project coming along? :-)


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