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Orthobam 11-26-2012 08:43 AM

Skater vs MTI
 
Has this been done? I searched the threads and have not seen a Skater vs MTI debate. Since it's winter here in the Midwest, we need something to occupy our time because there is nothing else to do so I thought I'd stir it up a little.

Since I'm new to this game, I figured this would be as delicate as the Ford vs Chevy (in this case more like Ferrari vs Lamborghini) debate.

So I would expect a Skater of same size and power to be much more superior than the MTI product (just trying to get things off to a gentlemanly start).:helmet:




Disclaimer: I love both boats and would have went with an MTI in a heartbeat if the circumstance were right. Just trying to get an interesting topic debated here with a little fun involved.

Plowtownmissile 11-26-2012 09:18 AM

BAM, there's not much to discuss. If you do the research, it really just comes down to this... do you want the original innovator or a variant of it?

After reading what all the old timers in this sport have said, it just boils down to that.

Edit: BAM, do a search for the Cat history thread. T2X (RL) puts it all out there and its worth reading start to finish.

gofastlvr 11-26-2012 09:58 AM

I think it comes down to if you want a Ferrari or a Aston Martin or maybe a Lambo or a Bentley....

Both are amazing pieces of work that stretch the limits of technology and imagination. Cig and Apache were probably the first big V-Hull manufacturers but does that mean that OL isn't a great boat, of course not!

Orthobam 11-26-2012 10:06 AM

It seems to me like MTI is running away with their business model. All the big money boats ( corvette , phantom, windship , hammertime, and many others) are MTI. Maybe they just get all the press but it seems there are 10 MTIs to every Skater.

Look at the MTI website then look at Skaters. If I were researching a new boat purchase MTI makes it a whole lot easier.

waterboy222 11-26-2012 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Orthobam (Post 3821561)
If I were researching a new boat purchase MTI makes it a whole lot easier.


You hit the nail on the head there. Its unfortunate that Skater doesn't invest in a little more positive marketing. Go to the Miami boat show with a check in hand to buy a new cat, then visit the two booths. It would be an easy choice for someone new to the scene. MTI puts on a heck of a display, whereas the Skaters are so crammed in all you can see is the interiors.

Websites are a whole 'nother ballgame.. I'd sure love to see a big Skater showing at the PR's like cig/pier57 does..

Orthobam 11-26-2012 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by waterboy222 (Post 3821583)
You hit the nail on the head there. Its unfortunate that Skater doesn't invest in a little more positive marketing. Go to the Miami boat show with a check in hand to buy a new cat, then visit the two booths. It would be an easy choice for someone new to the scene. MTI puts on a heck of a display, whereas the Skaters are so crammed in all you can see is the interiors.

Websites are a whole 'nother ballgame.. I'd sure love to see a big Skater showing at the PR's like cig/pier57 does..

Yes, MTI came out in force this year at KW. Randy interacts with his customers. He spoke with me for about 45 minutes at the LOTO Shootout this year about his new center console. He seems very engaged.

To be fair though, I don't know a thing about Skaters, especially new ones. We may also be biased because MTI headquarters is not far from LOTO.

speicher lane 11-26-2012 04:27 PM

Although not relevant to the Skater vs MTI debate but for what it's worth I wrote to the Skater contact (through the website) regarding a lack of spec's availible. I had a really quick reply stating that the fellow responsible was going to the factory this week and to check the site later in the week or next week - it is all supposed to be there then...

I think it was John Tomlinson that was apparently that Skaters were better in the rough water and the MTI's were faster in the smooth. This is going back a number of years so the innovations in hull bottoms between then and now may change different peoples opinions

Boatlesss 11-26-2012 05:19 PM

whom ever does skaters web site needs to get themselves out of highschool and go torwards a new carrer. it plainly sucks but i would not judge a boat by a web site. judge them by their performance. in the races the skaters walk the mti's regardless of how randy takes time to speak with you he is selling a slower boat that is not built as well and last i read the boats were built by someone else in wisconsin only rigged and painted in mo.

Lexanlarry 11-26-2012 06:02 PM

Skaters sell themselves, peter is a much more layed back owner than RAndy. PEter is more involved and interested in the day to day building of the product. Mti is a great boat but has went the bling bling direction instead of pure race performance as skater has. Skater has the most efficient hull in the 388. You will see a new longer even more efficient 44 ' hull soon that will compete with the mystic, mti, peters hulls which are all 44' hulls. Skater hulls are lighter and stronger than the mti hull.mti's have the interior bling.

Orthobam 11-26-2012 06:37 PM

Looks like it's time to line them up and run. The Apache vs Skater thread took off like a virus so I am calling out the MTI owners to show up to the onion run and show your stuff!!

blume 11-26-2012 06:55 PM

Skater Info...........
 

Originally Posted by speicher lane (Post 3821728)
Although not relevant to the Skater vs MTI debate but for what it's worth I wrote to the Skater contact (through the website) regarding a lack of spec's availible. I had a really quick reply stating that the fellow responsible was going to the factory this week and to check the site later in the week or next week - it is all supposed to be there then...

I think it was John Tomlinson that was apparently that Skaters were better in the rough water and the MTI's were faster in the smooth. This is going back a number of years so the innovations in hull bottoms between then and now may change different peoples opinions

If anyone needs any Skater info, specs, pricing or pictures of the product please let me know. As far as the 2 boats y'all have fun debating the issue.

Orthobam 11-26-2012 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by blume (Post 3821799)
If anyone needs any Skater info, specs, pricing or pictures of the product please let me know. As far as the 2 boats y'all have fun debating the issue.

That's nice Blume but in 20 almost 13 it should be readily available on the web page.

Lexanlarry 11-26-2012 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by Orthobam (Post 3821794)
Looks like it's time to line them up and run. The Apache vs Skater thread took off like a virus so I am calling out the MTI owners to show up to the onion run and show your stuff!!

Wow, are u really going to stir the pot here. Nobody wins here, they are both awesome boats,

VtSteve 11-26-2012 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by Orthobam (Post 3821803)
That's nice Blume but in 20 almost 13 it should be readily available on the web page.

Something tells me that folks looking to buy a cat like an MTI or a Skater don't really give a phuck about their web sites, they fly out to the factory.

precisiondetails 11-26-2012 09:34 PM

To me there is nothing better than a flat deck skater!!! I'm Definately a skater guy but I respect MTIs as they are great boats... But in my opinion the themed boats like corvette, phantom & etc. are just annoying and are Definately not to my taste!

blume 11-26-2012 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by Orthobam (Post 3821803)
That's nice Blume but in 20 almost 13 it should be readily available on the web page.

If you ever meet Pete one time all would be clear about this issue. I agree though.

flight club 11-26-2012 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by VtSteve (Post 3821866)
Something tells me that folks looking to buy a cat like an MTI or a Skater don't really give a phuck about their web sites, they fly out to the factory.

Web Site? There is one? LOL

Greatguy66 11-26-2012 10:27 PM

I guess it depends on what you really want??I like them both!!But the speeds they go my 1st concern is which one is safer?Any data like that avialible?

blume 11-26-2012 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by Greatguy66 (Post 3821920)
I guess it depends on what you really want??I like them both!!But the speeds they go my 1st concern is which one is safer?Any data like that avialible?

Safety usually is behind the wheel.

TeamSaris 11-27-2012 12:10 AM


Originally Posted by blume (Post 3821926)
Safety usually is behind the wheel.

Couldnt agree more.

POWERPLAY J 11-27-2012 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by precisiondetails (Post 3821898)
To me there is nothing better than a flat deck skater!!! I'm Definately a skater guy but I respect MTIs as they are great boats... But in my opinion the themed boats like corvette, phantom & etc. are just annoying and are Definately not to my taste!

Couldn't agree more.

Orthobam 11-27-2012 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by Plowtownmissile (Post 3821538)

Edit: BAM, do a search for the Cat history thread. T2X (RL) puts it all out there and its worth reading start to finish.


Did this. Unsuccessful. I hate searching forums on this site and others. Is there a way to search so that only the phrase not just the word comes up? For example, if you type in Skater Recovery or "Skater Recovery" you get every post with the word Skater and Recovery in it. It doesn't just give you those with the word in sequence.

Back to topic. At the LOTO Shootout this year MTI was in full force and even had the 2nd fastest cat. No Skaters even in contention. What's it like on the poker run scene?

Orthobam 11-27-2012 06:45 AM

BTW, this is my current all around favorite boat. Wish I could get a fair trade deal Blume....

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o48165-en.html

Finally, someone got it ALL right with the paint/interior.

notda1 11-27-2012 07:10 AM

I like both but bought an MTI , just didn't want to deal with an older Skater due to the gas tank issues . I'd be glad to own either boat performance wise . My older theme MTI does still seem to have a WOW factor around the docks I visit . I am happy with my MTI :cool-smiley-011:

302Sport 11-27-2012 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Orthobam (Post 3821982)
BTW, this is my current all around favorite boat. Wish I could get a fair trade deal Blume....

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o48165-en.html

Finally, someone got it ALL right with the paint/interior.

That's my good friends boat, runs like a raped ape.....

blume 11-27-2012 08:48 AM

trade
 

Originally Posted by Orthobam (Post 3821982)
BTW, this is my current all around favorite boat. Wish I could get a fair trade deal Blume....

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o48165-en.html

Finally, someone got it ALL right with the paint/interior.

O, call me and we can work out a good trade on this boat. 903-814-8848

Greatguy66 11-27-2012 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3821998)
That's my good friends boat, runs like a raped ape.....

Very nice boat Selling 2012 with 1350's nice whats next?Why selling?

blume 11-27-2012 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Greatguy66 (Post 3822040)
Very nice boat Selling 2012 with 1350's nice whats next?Why selling?

A larger Skater with 1350 Mercs

302Sport 11-27-2012 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by blume (Post 3822067)
A larger Skater with 1350 Mercs

Blume he bought a 68 Sunseeker, I was on it in KW....

Plowtownmissile 11-27-2012 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Orthobam (Post 3821981)
Did this. Unsuccessful. I hate searching forums on this site and others. Is there a way to search so that only the phrase not just the word comes up? For example, if you type in Skater Recovery or "Skater Recovery" you get every post with the word Skater and Recovery in it. It doesn't just give you those with the word in sequence.

Here ya go...
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...t-history.html

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...ats-molds.html

There is some very good info but make sure you know who is who posting the info in the above threads.

Orthobam 11-27-2012 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3821998)
That's my good friends boat, runs like a raped ape.....


180+mph?

Comparing to the MTI 48 footer at the LOTO Shootout with the same power. It ran 186mph, thought he had the Top Gun title then Greg Olson came out......

precisiondetails 11-27-2012 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by Orthobam (Post 3822326)
180+mph?

Comparing to the MTI 48 footer at the LOTO Shootout with the same power. It ran 186mph, thought he had the Top Gun title then Greg Olson came out......

All I can say is that people are sadly mistaken if they think those were stock 1350s!!!

Tborisch 11-27-2012 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by precisiondetails (Post 3822341)
All I can say is that people are sadly mistaken if they think those were stock 1350s!!!

Lol, no doubt... Merc racing is balls deep in the ECM tuning, I don't believe those are even stock bottom ends. Every other MTI with 1350's is MUCH slower..

SKATER NATION!! :party-smiley-004:

Tom

blume 11-27-2012 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by Tborisch (Post 3822381)
Lol, no doubt... Merc racing is balls deep in the ECM tuning, I don't believe those are even stock bottom ends. Every other MTI with 1350's is MUCH slower..

SKATER NATION!! :party-smiley-004:

Tom

I think it was the canopy race boat also? sorry I was wrong, open pleasure.

Tborisch 11-27-2012 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by blume (Post 3822384)
I think it was the canopy race boat also?

No, open cockpit "pleasure" boat..

baditude 11-27-2012 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by Tborisch (Post 3822393)
No, open cockpit "pleasure" boat..

Thats a rudder boat that used to be a canopy race boat.

zmead 11-27-2012 09:30 PM

I just happen to run across this while headed towards skater boats for sale, and I thought I would add my two sense. I have had 4 MTI's and im in a 2013 44 MTI with 1350's and i am building a new carbon 48 now. If Blume gets his way I will b to build a 388 to run on my lake in Texas and run my 48 in the poker runs, so ill check back in the may15th and let you guys know who I believe the winner is. As for Bob the guy with 186 mph loto boat it is stock 1350's they just do crazy stuff with props. I ran in KW with Bob and Randy and the rest of the MTI guys and I know personally what those guys are doing. As for the guy talking to Randy about the center console, my wife road in it to Boca Grande and loved it, so go ahead if 75 is your speed. And to the guy who said MTI's are slow call Bill Pyburn and ask him how slow they are when he couldn't keep up with Richie in his 44 or Bob in his 48 or Dereck in his corvette boat. He may can tell you otherwise. Sorry this is so long but i read to much stuff from a bunch of guys who wish they knew what they were talking about.

Tborisch 11-27-2012 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by baditude (Post 3822496)
Thats a rudder boat that used to be a canopy race boat.

That's why I put pleasure in quotes.. Lol.. Not exactly a pleasure boat, but that's what they call it.

zmead 11-27-2012 09:32 PM

You can tell how often I do this... The last time logged in to OSO I was in a 06 39 Cig TG with 1075's that Blume sold me.


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