New 24's???
 

Ok I have been here before and always lurke to see the build up pics. I am hoping to get a boat this upcoming summer, but that has been the plan for several years now. I am in Long Island and always like the Superboat. I have a 2 year old and I have to do the family deal on the weekends. I never owned a boat in my life but I have always wanted one.


This is a two part question. Anybody use a 24 for family use? Too rough a ride? Cramped?

Why no new 24's??? Can they be custom built like the 30's? Approx price with simple BB power? I could upgrade as I get used to power. Is this a mistake for a 1st boat 9I guess that is 3 questions)

Thanks in advance for the input. Brian

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My prior boat was a 24 with a 300X. A great family boat! Substantial freeboard, cut like a knife, a place to crash for the little one down below, a porta-potti for the misses too. Very trailerable. I get a lot of ribbing for the bimini in this picture but it kept my wife and little one out of the sun. Hard to see but my wife is in the back holding my son. I liked the outboard cause it added about a foot in the cockpit area. Pat McPhearson on the board here is also a family man and they all seem to enjoy theirs with an i/o. I also believe its a good starting point for someone with no boating experience. Where are going to be boating on L.I.?

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Had mine custom built to my specs and I'm sure you have seen my y2k-30 as well as Superbabi's build. John Coen will do it any whay you want!!

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One of the main reasons for the "CRAZE" in Y2K's is the unbeatable price. For a few grand more you can upgrade to a 30' (32' overall) over a 24'. We can make anything you want. From a basic 24' to a fully customized one, it's up to your wallet.

Rick

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I am not sure where I would be boating. I am told North is calmer? but South is where everything is?

Why don't they update web site? I know you can't post exact price but how about a range? When I say custom I am basically thinking about a custom color maybe a dark blue or bright orange. I know to rough colors to keep up and also hard to sell but I just want something different. Thanks

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D 750, great news about your intrest on the 24'. You will be very happy with the boat. I was on a few 24's through the years, most current was the SUPERBASH O/B !!!!!!! Real nice ride on a nasty day on the Great South Bay. As Rick said ( THE BUILDER ) most guy's go with the Y2K because of the great price. No matter what SUPERBOAT you go with you will be in good hands with Rick on the build. Give John a call a SUPERBOAT he will have a new Y2K Demo boat there for a ride.............Gary

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The 24 is great for the family. My daughter LOVES the Superboat!

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One more pic. I took this last week. The "Hot Licks" team is from my local waters.

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I've seen that guy a few times in my creek. That boat sounds NICE.

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A 24' Super is a Great Family Boat!
And a Great entry level high performance boat!

I like to "hot rod" my boat, it is part of the hobby for me, so I do like having a V8 Chevy under the hatch... :D
However if that is not part of your game, I would recommend the outboard version... :cool:
I recommend to all first time boat buyers to buy an outboard because they are far easier to maintain than an i/o... :rolleyes:
As for power, it's all about how fast you want to go. A 250HP outboard will push a 24' near 70mph which is real fast on the water. The 375HP/496 pushes the 24' at speeds over 75... :eek:
I think JC, FX and company will build you one for around 50K complete, depending upon power and options... :cool:
Sorry to say this FX and JC, but I would recommend buying a second hand boat. Another recommendation I always make to first time boat buyers... :cool:
I'm quite sure you can find a nice used 24' Super for less than 1/2 of new. If it's a 24' Superboat you choose, whether it's an i/o or outboard, new or used, you won't be disappointed with its' value and performance... :drink:

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Thanks for the info guys. I probably would go with the I/O as I am in Hot Rods myself and the engine sound is something I like. I thought I would have heard that it was horrible 1st time boat. I am glad to hear otherwise.


I will continue to watch the builds and hope it works out for me this spring. Thanks

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What ever boat you get, take the time and take a boating course. Ct requires it before you can get a license, I'm not sure about NY. Chapmans boating book is a great book to read and keep on the coffee table. And take the time to learn the neuances and handeling characteristics of the particular boat you end up with before you "HOT ROD" it... And never drive past the comfort zone of your passangers and you will get the most enjoyment and greatest of times with family and friends...Thought no one said it was gonna be cheap!!! :evilb:

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I think I bought the only 05, 24 and I am very pleased. I went with the 496/375 and just the bare basics. The boat impresses anyone who takes a ride with its ability to handle the rough water at speed. I put a ton of hours on the boat last summer and still cannot get the grin off my face.

Good choice.

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found this one on e-bay.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1977-...QQcmdZViewItem

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Interesting looking boat. The hull looks OK, but the engine, drive and rigging look like a nightmare. 95 MPH? That will probably be how fast cash comes out of your wallet to keep it running. :drink:

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Hey Ducati 750,
If your interested I have a 1994 24 superboat with twin 2.5 outboards up for sale. It has all the goodies , Latham hydraulic steering, 280 K-planes Low water pickups , Mazco props , bezels and a trailer . I'm asking 22 k . Call me and I can send pictures . Dave M. has seen the boat and djtalon has been in and drivin the boat so you can get more info about it from them. The main reason I'm selling is I'm going to go bigger.

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Here's a pic of Gasstick's boat.

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Hey Gassticks
Boat still looks great. Hope all is well.
Jack

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Hey Jack ,
Thanks the boat is still running good. Momma says she would like a bigger boat . Who am I to argue with that. Things are ok up here the weather is starting to get cool. I'm getting ready to put the boat up for the winter. Hope all is well with you and your wife .
Chris

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gassticks,
i am on travel, i got your message and i will call you tonight.

did yu buy somthing yet? S.B 30????

dj

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I spoke to John a while back about making a mini Y2K out of a 24.he said there was not enough interest and to much tooling cost to make a new mold. I still think its a good idea.

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Considering the swim platform from the Y2K is basically a direct bolt on, and the deck could be pieced to make for minimum tooling . I think it coould work. But as JC said, the tooling would cost a small fortune. We still have the 34'' center console deck plug that we''ve been working on. JC has a small fortune in the tooling for that.
Just think, the 24' could now be called a 26' Hmmmmm sounds good already. I think it would look awesome too.

Rick

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some people just dont want a 30 ft boat. Too much to handle. A 26 would make a great entry level boat .

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Spoke with JC again about making a 24 (26' ) Y2K. He said NO!!! What can I say, I tried. His logic is, why would anyone buy a 24', when for a few k more you can hane a 30'. I know, it doesn't make sense.

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It kinda makes sense... that is why pantera stated that 2005 will be the last yr for the 24. For a little more cash you can get a 28.

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Bigger isn't always better... :D
My best boating buddy has a 29' Fountain, which like a 30' super is realy like 31-32' long.
Anyway, the times I realy envy him having a larger boat is when we run in LI Sound when the going gets rough. Also, he can take his family of 4 on overnight trips. Even though we are only 3 overnighters don't happen.
I will say that we do boat in the CT river 75-80% of the time and the 24' Super is the perfect size!
Some day I will step up to a bigger boat, but bigger boats are more work and more $$ no matter how you look at it ... :drink:

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But from a manufacturing side, a single engine 30, doesn't cost much more to build than a single engine 24... and you can get more $ for it.

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Agreed...
Superboat is a small company so I do understand where he is coming from. Right now the Y2K orders keep rolling in and I don't believe he wants to grow the campany too much...

I believe there is still a market for a revised 24/26' Super though. If someone does place an order why not update the deck mold? JC spent the money on the 21" Super. I also believe that JC should still offer the 30' with the tempest deck.

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agreed! :drink:

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For a new buyer a 24-26' is ideal. 21 is too small to carry family. The 24 looks like it would suffice for short trips and is easily trailered.

Problem is the additional costs of owning a 30' boat.
Storage costs, maintenance, etc. How many people can fit a 30' boat in their driveway? For me the 30' would also be a little much for a 1st time ride.

Would like to se updated version. Oh well!

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The maintenance of a 24 single and a 30 single should be near nothing.
A bit more fuel... just a bit. That 30 should be very efficient.
Dock space??? I had to keep my 24 at a 30ft slip... so no more $ there, for me. Winter storage... another $150?
Otherwise if both are single screw, then not much else.

But I hear ya about 1st timer, trailering, and finding a spot at the local watering hole. :drink:
But you'd probably recoup better resale on the 30.

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Storm,
I do agree with your earlier statement that from the manufacturing side building 30' boats may be better/more cost effective. I would guess that a 30' hull costs Superboat less than 5k more than a 24' hull to produce.
I do not agree that the costs of buying and owning a 24' vs 30' are similar though.
Let's compare the power required to push the two boats at similar speeds:
A 24' Super will run 65+mph with a 300HP/5.7L small block and nearly 70mph with the 320/6.2L small block. If you go to big block power the 24 runs 75+mph with the 375HP/8.1L and nearly 80mph with the 425HP/8.1L.
The 30' Super requires big block power to run the same as a 24' with small block power. And if you want to crack 75mph it will require one of those high $$ Blue engines or a custom built mill. The cost of an out-drive that can handle big power doubles as well...
The $$ for purchasing power, $$ for fuel, and $$ for maintenance are not even close to equal...
Now if you were to compare a 24' rigged with a 425HP, XR drive, full hydraulic steering, and all the other whistles and bells to a stripped down 30' with a 425HP, the costs would be more similar... :drink:

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I didn't say anything about having the boats run the same speeds. :p

And if I upgraded to a 28 pantera... where would the extra costs come from. so I'd use 35% more fuel??? I only used about $1000 worth this year. Just curious, not looking to bust balls.
Now... a 1990 35 cafe racer would be an entirely different story.

BTW... what does SB charge for a 24 w/ 525 loaded? w/ full Hydro steering? compared to a 30?

I think the upcharge for a the 4ft on a pantera would be $25k.

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Storm, the season is over for us so why not debate this subject a little more?
So you want to compare an 80mph 24' to a 70mph 30' boat?
That sounds a bit backward to me... :p

I guess the definition of significant $$ difference is different for each of us... :rolleyes:

Hey Storm, I'm sorry that it would appear that you only logged in the neighborhood of 25 hours on your boat this year... :(
Lucky for me, I logged 75-80 which is considered about average for us in the north country... :cool:
Using your 35% more fuel theory, that would equate to more like $1000 different.

I'm not sure as to the pricing of a 24' hull vs. 30' hull but I would guess that they are no more than 10K apart...

A few years back I priced new 24' Supers and just last year I priced a new 30'.
JC would not rig a 24' with a HP500 a couple years ago so I don't think a HP525 is an option now. A vary basic 24' with a 300HP small block will cost around 45K and a fully loaded one with a 425HP big block, full hydraulic, k-planes, and... would cost about 60K I would guess.
A basic 30' Superboat with a 425HP/496HO will cost around 60K and loaded up with a HP525, XR drive, full hydraulic, and... will cost 100K+...
I my world, $15,000 to $40,000 is a BIG difference... :drink:

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OK... lets derail this thread and keep it going.

I only logged 43hrs this summer. :mad:
In this mad mad mad mad mad mad mad world of boating... $1000 for fuel should not be much of a factor.

But I'll tell you one thing, I'd rather be in a 30ft w/ a top of 70, than a 24ft w/ a top of 80.
Its alot easier to ad HP, than to throw on 6 extra feet! :eek:

I don't run wide open much, and the cruise would be a bit less on the 30, but the ride would be another world, which is what is important to me . Which may not be for others.

And be happy w/ 80hrs this season, because with more kids in the scene, that number will get lower! :(
Also once I put mine on the market, I kinda stopped using it.
1. because god forbid something happens to it.
2. I felt like I had already broken up w/ her.

BTW... the boat is sold. :D

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I had a good year . 13hrs for the Zuperboat this year. Only put gas in twice ! The supercharger is looking better every minute.

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Pat and Storm,
The $ difference between the Y2K and a 24 is only a few k, 3 or 4, 5 tops.
The Y2K is "VERY" economical to drive with the 496HO. Ask Keith (Once Bitten), and it does 74mph. As for maintainance between the two. They are about the same.
Here is a quote from Keith of Once Bitten, or otherwise known as Krakmeup

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My new 2005 SB Y2K
Air temp 66, winds 5-10mph
Fuel 1/4
Two people
Stock 496 Mag HO, 4 blade bravo prop
5000 rpm

GPS 74.1


Oh yeah, fueled up again,
210 miles, 81 gal = 2.6 mpg

Real data, real boat, smiling all the way......

Keith

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Hey pat!!!
:p :p :p
:chick: :chick: :chick:
:bunny: :bunny: :bunny:
:evilb:

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OK... I give... :p
For 5 or 10K more I'd by the 30' for sure... :cool:
Hopefully I'll be able to someday soon... :drink:

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People with alot of boating experience would pick the 30 over the 24. When I first bought my 24 I thought it was huge coming from a hydrostream. Those are the people we need to hook. To some a 24 or now the new 26 would be perfect. On the island alot of people dont have room or the knowhow for a 30 on a trailer. Just my 2 cents