Wrecked 24 surfaces on Ebay
 

this is Pats old boat right.....wonder who bought it and why they are selling already.....we should really keep tabs on this thing so nobody here buys it after its fixed and winds up hurting someone....this boat needs a wood chipper....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/24-Su...QQcmdZViewItem

George, believe me. If it was closer, I would buy it. And fix it. The deck is already off. Removing the liner is cake then. Doing the interior glass work is also cake. Without blowing smoke out my arse, ....... 1 1/2 weeks. Done. And thats nights!.
We had a 24 in here back in october. Hit a channel marker (Pile) at 60. Same senario. Deck came almost off. Tore 4' of the starboard side hull off under the chine. And carved out 8' of the deck, 2' deep. Inbetween doing all the other work in the shop I worked on it. 1 1/2 weeks, and it was done. alot worse then that one.
As you said. Any fiberglass bla bla bla could fix it. Your right. I wish it was still around. My 225 Merc would look pretty sitting on a Stainless Marine setback on it.

this is the first time im seeing those pictures, damm man- even if that hull and deck were concreted together that thing would have broke- that was a BAD hit.

lucky to be alive for christs sakes.

You got that right Rob, Pats a lucky guy. The stuff from Hell.

so your saying concrete would be stronger than using glass at the hull to deck joint:evilb::evilb::evilb:

Rick my issue with the boat is that unless it was fixed by you or someone i trust like RobF i would never get behind the wheel of that thing....as we all know most superboats for some reason or another wind up back on long island eventually LOL...if someone who is a shade tree glass guy fixes this thing and someone goes out and gets killed in it that would suck....i would hate to see that happen after it made its way back here....

BTW anyone know the story on how it ended up in texas???

pat sold it for parts, yes it's his old boat...i think he knows its listed...

The gut who is doing the Banana boat bought it for parts. Check out the Banana boat forum and you can see it. I don't think the guy is out to rip anybody off or endanger them in anyway.

Yes, that is my old boat. This is why it went to Texas.
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...d.php?t=177881
I suppose anything can be rebuilt/fixed. I agree with Chad’s listing on E-Bay; The Boat is totaled…
Rick if you want it, I can have my Dad drag it up with him when he comes up in May.
Ironically, I sold the boat by word of OSO to a fellow that lives on the same lake in Texas as my Dad. Small world…
For the record, I did offer this hull to JC for R&D purposes...

The hull and deck joint was not glass together, but we'll not go down that road again...

I agree with you that the boat should be scrapped unless fixed at the Superboat factory.
Even then, I'd not trust it, but that's me.

I can provide the hull number, and any other info someone may want about this hull. I owned it for 5 years and put the majority of hours on it.

Hello gents,

I bought the boat from Patrick for parts, shipped it to texas to strip, removed the parts, and am now selling the trailer with a totalled boat on it. If someone can fix it, then more power to them, but I don't need it anymore. Like I said in my ebay article, I think the boat is totalled, but if someone with more knowledge than me can fix it, then great. I don't do fiberglass. I am not out to rip off or scam anyone, my opinion was that the boat was totalled, I just want to get rid of it with the trailer, because my bro doesn't want a trailerless boat sitting on his property forever :p


by the way, if any of you fiberglass guys think you can fix it, I can take more pics of close ups if necessary.

I think it would make a great backyard bar too !! :)

yes the hull and deck are/were not fiberglassed together, but they were screwed together by the stainless screws that held the rub rail on. So it would be easy to remove the deck if needed to for necessary fiberglass repairs or to add another bulkhead in the cabin.

you guys don't miss anything, I just listed in on ebay a day or two ago :evilb::evilb:

Yes please someone buy this thing to get it the hell of of my property.:D

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I don't think the JC and FX want to see any more pics of the boat...:party-smiley-004:

Hey Chad,
I hope you post more updates of your project soon! I'll be uncovering mine in the next couple of weeks and get you those tips...:cool-smiley-027:

yeah, I am getting ready to stab the engine, I have to plumb the fuel system and cooling system first. I will post more pics as soon as I get a chance. I bet your "project" will be running before mine will :angry-smiley-038::p:p thanks patrick

The Scream&Fly Crew doesn't miss anything either.
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forum...=1#post1324526

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Rick,
I too wished you'd kept those PM's with the accounts of my accident. Then we could ask those people to post what they really saw.
There were two or three other boats in the area when it happened, besides the cruiser that is. T-Mone and Madison here on OSO came to my aid and T-Mone is probably the only that could give an accurate account of what really happened, other than God that is. Have you spoken or corresponded with T-Mone? Should I ask him to post what he saw and what his opinions are of how the boat came apart?

My boat was examined by two naval architects, one being a professor at Web, two boat builders, one that has build everything from 16’ Donzis to 100’ yachts, and two marine surveyors. Would you like me to post some of there findings?

Rick, I’m not blowing smoke. Did you read the letter I send to Mr. Coen? Would you like me to send you a copy or maybe I should post it?

I don't want to go around with you on this subject as nothing good will come from it.

The point that George was tying to make by starting this thread is that my old boat is probably better off going through a chipper than being fixed. I had lots of problems with the hull besides the fact the deck wasn't glassed to the hull. Ask John, I called him every year as I had repairs done. I called you too but you never returned my calls.

You are trying to defend Superboat by discrediting me. I'm not going to play that game.

I have repeetedly stated that the quality of my old boat is definitely not representative of the product that you produce today. I am not trying to bash Superboat and I don’t want to get into a personal rift with you either Rick.

Enough of this thread, we have been down this road before. Hit the DELETE BUTTON.

Thats in Georges hands.

Being a Superboat owner, I would like to hear it. I missed the details in the previous thread before it got deleted. As long as it doesn't become a pissing match and is talked about reasonably, let it stay.

Gary, you and I talked a number of times about this and I am willing to let sleeping dogs lie.
BUT, FX-10 is posting that he has witnesses with accounts that simply are not true.
What would you do?

No, I don't want to rehash on-line, because it becomes personal and counterproductive.
If you'd like to hear about my boat send me a PM or e-mail. I have lots good to say along with the not so good.

Well I did not want to get involved in this but I wanted to set the record straight as to who was involved in witnessing what happened that day on the Ct river. There was 3 boats travelling together after the gathering for lunch that day. Pat's 24,(2 People) My 24 Pantera(3 People) and Pete's 28 ( 1 Person). No one else was around and no one else saw what happened that day. Myself, my crew, and Peter were with pat for the rest of the day. Immediately after the accident Peter took pat's passenger across the river to meet his wife because he needed to get to a hospital right away, While Pat and my crew tried to get Pat's boat put back together enough to limp it back to his private marina because it was the closest place to the accident site. No one ever saw the boat or stopped to see if everything was O.K, trust me if you saw this happen you would have stopped. We got the boat back to the marina and Pat jumped in Petes boat, we headed back to the ramp in Old Saybrook where all our trucks and trailers were. We loaded up and headed up to the Marina pulled pats boat out and that was that..As far as the wave goes I was just off Pats port side, hit the same wave at about the same speed Pantera is solid as rock....

I agree with Gary. Just drop the whole dame thing.

Sure, easy for you guys to say. No one posting untruths about you.
I believe I've been vary nice not to Drag the Superboat name through the mud.
I could have been a major *****, and both of you know that.

Pat I do not want to start any trouble but I have to say you have still been a supporter of Superboats even though you went through this problem.. It is FX10 who still wants to be the bully here. What happened happened and no one can change the past. It is obvious though that FX10 is bitter seeing a wrecked Superboat on this site when he spends so much time supporting the company here. No one would want to see that. But that is exactly the problem with a site like this and the internet in general. The good, the bad, and the indifferent are out there. It is up to the person reading the print to decide the truth and what they want to believe. Which sometimes is not the same unfortunatly..
And by the way FX10 why do you consistantly talk about the 22 Progression that came apart. That has nothinmg to do with Pat's Superboat. That Progression was going well over 100mph when it blew over. It did not come apart from a wake. It came apart when the bow nosed into the bottom of the bay. I have spoken to Kevin at Progression about this incident you keep bringing up and I know you did see the boat. But still will not own up to the truth. Pretty sad u have to compare other peoples misfortunes to make your product look better.
I have owned 2 Progressions and have never ever had a problem with any of Kevin's hulls. My question to you is why did Superboat refuse to fix the boat for the customer or rather take the boat back to figure out what was the week link. Maybe you and Cohen could have learned something from this incident and used that knowledge to build the future boats stronger. Wouldn't that have been better for business than turning your back on a customer. Then you could have shown everyone what you changed to make the hulls better....

Don,
I hear what your saying. I don't keep blasting Progressions. Progressions are built beautifully.I only posted that once. And the only reason I made reference to that boat is because it was fully glassed around the bow area. My opinion is that no matter if it was glassed around the bow or not, Pats boat was coming apart.
Don, I'm not sure if you launched off wakes at the wrong angle and landed, or almost landed your boat on it's side. I've done it, and learned from my mistakes. I was in my buddys Superboat 10 years ago and launched off a wake on the wrong angle @ 60. Boat landed on it's side, completely siddeways. I got thrown out. On the way out, My face hit Riches face, broke my nose, gave him 7 stiches. I was knocked out, flew 30 feet from the boat in the State Channel in front of Gilgo. I came too when my feet hit the bottom(30'), and believe me. I didn't think I could make it to the surface. I did. With a broken nose and 2 deformed(broken) fingers. I swam back to the boat and passed out about 3 feet from the boat. Ritchie grabbed me, and pulled me on board. Thank God. I couldn't blame the boat for what just happened. It was an accident, or poor judgement on Ritchie's part.
All I'm trying to say is , it's fun to jump waves, just make sure you hit them at the right angle. Or someones gonna get hurt. And if your boat brakes, don't blame the boat.
Don, as you said "what happened, happened" Pat has always been one of our biggest supporters of Superboat, And I'm sure he he'll always be.

Hi Don,
Your post makes a lot of sense, at least to me. And I don't think you're trying to start trouble.
To my knowledge this is an open forum and I believe it is a good thing to share our experiences whether they be good or bad. I don't believe this is a forum to just showcase Superboats for the purpose of promoting sales; that would go against the meaning of the word.
I originally posted the pictures of my wreck to share my experience and absolutely I wanted others to know that the construction of my Superboat hull had some questionable areas.
My purpose was not to take shots at Superboat. Unfortunately that is how it was viewed by some and FX-10 has taken it upon him self to try to discredit me.
No, I did not hit a 6' wave at 70, No the boat did not hit the bottom, No, I did not land the boat on it's side, and No, I was not seeking to launch off a boat wake. Yes, I did get caught by surprised by a boat wake and launch, Yes, the bow got stuffed, and Yes, it was my fault. No, it does not much matter now, it is done and in the past. I have learned a lot from my mistake that day.
FX-10 has maybe seen my boat 1 time and that was before my accident and he told us he was not involved with the cunstruction of my boat. If FX-10 had put to use the 35 years of experience he has and taken an unbiased look at the boat after the accident, there may just be a different story written here.
I do know that there are many owners of 24' Superboats that do appreciate me posting. I have corresponded with or spoken to on the phone with at least 10 that have told me so.
Sure the aftermath of my accident was not the best press for Superboat. But, even though FX-10 insinuates that I blame Superboat, I have admitted many times the accident was my fault.
There is a lot that can be learned from others here on OSO. IMO that goes for boaters with little experience to those that may have 50 years of experience. The day you stop learning or think you know it all is the day you, well fill in the blank...

Well said Pat.... Still friends? :)

Ok, Can this thing be dropped. I think everyone has said there share here.

Pat, good luck with your new boat.

So, no one wants to buy it so I don't have to look at it anymore?:party-smiley-004:

I am quessing the boat was orig insured and a claim put in on it. I assume the hull is now a salvage hull if an insurance claim was issued ? If so I believe it un unregisterable with the current vin. I think $1500 the numbers alone would be worth that if the hull was reg was clean.

Last I knew there was about 20gal of gas still in the tank so you could take a match to it...:D

On a serious side, I talk to my bud that owns a Seatow franchise and he recently dumped 2 wrecked boats at the local landfill for $200 each. If the gas tanks had been removed it would have been $50 per. They just crushed them up with a bulldozer after removing the tanks...:evilb:

I did collect the full amount of my insurance policy and then negotiated a deduction from the claim to salvage the boat.
I kept the engine, drive, and sold the swim platform.
Chad bought the rest for parts for his Banana restoration project.
I don't know how it works with "totaled" boats. Maybe it would have to be inspected before it could be registered again similar to a car. I guess that would depend on the state too. I did give Chad a bill of sale and the reg renewal signed over to him.
I do know the trailer is good to go as I brought it in for new tires and bearings before it made the trip to Texas. Chad has the receipt for the repairs along with a bill of sale and title for the trailer.

Thanks Pat, I believe you are right. And I am not asking $1500 just for the boat, I only want $500 for the boat, and $1000 for the trailer (which is fully registerable). There is still some stuff in the superboat like the gas tanks, fittings, nav lights, some wiring, and superboat interior minus the bolsters. I am going to try to register it this week and see what happens.

Hey Chad,
If you get questioned about a title for the boat, tell them there are no titles on boats in CT, just the reg. I did have the NY title, but as you know, UPS lost that when I sent it to you.

Boat Is Junk
 

If the Insurance was collected, the boat can never be reg or titled again. The boat is junk. I fig that becuase a legit reg/title with a vin is worth a few thousand for the right boat. This boat is junk only good for parts that may be on it and the trailer is worth something to someone. Thats why it's sitting on the best selling place in the world EBAY for $1500 no bids. You are better off removing the boat and selling the trailer by it-self. Have a barn fire witht that suberboat hull, video it and stick it on u-tube for fun.

Sounds like you might have an interest in seeing this boat go away:party-smiley-004:

You can deffinetly register a salvage boat. It happens all the time. Full coverage insurance is a different story.

If I buy it can I list it everywhere and get a bunch of people pissed off:evilb: