Re: $0.70 fuel Bio-Diesel ???
 

I wonder if I could heat my home with the bio? I have a fuel oil burner so maybe this would be a option? Not sure if it would be worth the work. Dwight

Re: $0.70 fuel Bio-Diesel ???
 

yeas you can.

Re: $0.70 fuel Bio-Diesel ???
 

yes you can......its on the website.......as a residential heating contractor for the last 15 yrs you can go to the gas station fill a gas can with diesel and pour it directly into your furnace tank.......home heating fuel is diesel without the taxes.

Re: $0.70 fuel Bio-Diesel ???
 

Thanks I later seen it on the website that you can make bio for home and vehicle. With the hurricane coming maybe I should fill my tank before the price jumps again....Dwight

Re: $0.70 fuel Bio-Diesel ???
 

Once again, I have been overly impressed by the knowledge and info the OSO crowd is able to gather. Bio-Diesel is a project that our company has taken on recently, (we are a custom chemical manufacturer, and toll processing company for those in a related field. our main source of income is through the processing of glycols and other fatty acids.) I actually used some of the posts you guys had in a board meeting we had earlier today, Ha, who knew reading an OSO post would actually be work related, nicee. Anyway we have a very large facility on the ship channel, barge, ship, rail, and truck access, 36 acres, and are currently looking for interested parties in bio-diesel related projects and investments. [email protected]. Thanks guys

Re: $0.70 fuel Bio-Diesel ???
 

The program "Trucks" on Spike TV ran a very we'll say... misinformed piece on biodiesel. The main spot of misinformation was saying ''performance was increased''www.journeytoforever.org has recently had an email from a cummins engineer show up on their website. This email paints a less than rosey picture of what Biodiesel does to the performance of a diesel engine. NOx emissions also increase drastically. IMO these are smaller prices to pay for the wallet-friendliness of biodiesel fuel, especially if processed from de-watered waste vegetable oil. Having said that, my personal stance on biodiesel has led me to purchase everything needed to make a test batch of biodiesel in a blender. Those instructions can also be found on www.journeytoforever.org


Pasted from todays emails on Journey to forever. 7/18/05

---- Original Message -----
From: Doug Memering
Date: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:40 pm
Subject: [Biofuel] Re: CUMMINS B5.9TD



>
> Perhaps I can shed some light on this topic, as I am an engineer
> at Cummins
> Inc, and work in Fuel System Development.
> Officially, Cummins supports Biodiesel blends up to B5 or 5%
> Biodiesel.There are several concerns the company has with higher
> ratio blends. There
> are three major areas of concerns that the company has. These are
> mostlycommercial concerns which will be evident as I explain them
> any of which an individual could deal with by being aware and careful about what they put into their tank.
>
> First, while biodiesel is touted as being cleaner, there are some
> caveats.While the particulate emissions (the ones you can see) are
> considerablyimproved with biodiesel, the NOx emmission will
> increase and the higher the
> biodiesel ratio the higher the NOx increases. Up to B5 the
> increase will not likely move the engine's NOx emissions beyond the federal
> limit, but B20 and higher will likely move the NOx emissions "outside of the
> box". Since the US tends to hold the manufacturers repsonsible for the
> emissions of the engines instead of the users the company must maintain a strict policy against recommending or accepting fuels that will violate the
> regulations. Second, biodiesel has a lower heating value than Petro diesel,
> therefore the higher the biodiesel blend the lower the available power from the engine.Most vehicles with B5.9 diesel are substantially
> overpowered so the driver may not notice the 2% loss of power with a B5 blend, but it will become more noticeable as the ratio is increased. As I said many of the vehicles, especially pickups are overpowered for the job they do, so you it would likely not be bothered unless you are street racing or
> pulling a large (heavy) trailer through the mountains. But once again as a
> company Cummins is in the position that if the sell a 305 Hp engine and the
> customers tend to expect to get 305 Hp regardless of what fuel they chose to put in the tank.
>
> The third and more serious concern for us homegrown biodieselers,
> in my opinion, is water. Most tanks collect water, many vehicles are
> equippedwith water separation filters to protect the fuel system
> components. The problem is the biodiesel has a higher affinity for water than petrol diesel, so the biodiesel is going to carry the water out of the tank. Furthermore,the water separators that are normally used will NOT
> extract the water from biodiesel so the water gets carried into the fuel system. Most modern fuel systems are very sensitive to water. The engine will run initially but the internal fuel system components will quickly corrode which will ead to a fuel system failure, and usually an expensive one.
>
> The company is also concerned about the quality of the biodiesel
> coming on the market. They have a wide variety from some very high quality to some very poor quality and currently there are no recognized quality standardthat the commercial producers are going by.
>
> There are other concerns with blending biodiesel with the coming
> Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD). It has a few challenges to overcome but I
> will not go into the details here.
>
> With all that said, my personal observation (not the view of
> Cummins) is that if you pay attention to what you are putting in your tank
> qaulity wise.You make sure that it is dry. Then you should not have any
> problems with the fuel system of the age mentioned. The timing does not need to be changed in order for the engine run, however you will be producing more NOx than you were with petrodiesel. You will likely see degradation of non metal lines in the fuel system and you have to replace all of them at some point. Return lines are probably the first ones you will notice. I believe most vehicles run steel lines for the supply lines from the tank to the engine.
>
> I am brewing my own biodiesel and running it in my 94 Cummins 5.9L
> dieseland I intend to eventually run on straight biodiesel. I
> know the risks and will watch things carefully.
>
> I hope this helps
>
> Doug
>
>
>
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Re: $0.70 fuel Bio-Diesel ???
 

what system will you be using to make your Bio diesel....?????
In the "freedomfuels" set up I read in the FAQ and it said on Trucks that you can make bio with a single stage set up but the prefered way is a two stage process.......could that be where the fuel quality issues come from.....?????
Nowhere in the trucks segment or on their website do they (Freedomfuels)quote a price for the whole set up.......got any idea????...........doug

Re: $0.70 fuel Bio-Diesel ???
 

Yo, I'm still new to this, just been reading about it for a while. I'm going to use a methoxide transesterification in an appleseed processor, with instructions from www.journeytoforever.org I'm not going to mess with a 2 stage process using ethanol or anything, yet. I will wash my final product.


I've spent hours reading on the forums of www.biodiesel.org ,and this is what I think is the most practical for what I need it for. I drive a 2001 HO 2500 dodge ram.

Re: $0.70 fuel Bio-Diesel ???
 

as far as price, I emailed someone from the WVO forums on biodiesel.org , and they said to make your own for a couple hundred dollars and not worry about those ready made setups. he said those are junk, and you get a junky product that's not clean.