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Old 10-14-2012 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by GO4BROKE
Thanks Ron, thats disgusting. Moving engineering overseas wont be an improvement. But I will never own anything from a foriegn automaker.
I don't even know what a foriegn automaker is anymore :/

Growing up I remember my parents specifically shopping for amercian made appliances, cars, and electronics. Near impossible here today, imagine how easy it is for someone that lives in China!
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Old 10-14-2012 | 09:33 AM
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"With a Chevy's independent front suspension, I'd rather take that one." Ha. That's Chevy's biggest downfall
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Old 10-14-2012 | 02:45 PM
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I was looking at the GMC half tons awhile back, every single one of them started with a '3' in the vin.
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Old 10-14-2012 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by c_deezy
I was looking at the GMC half tons awhile back, every single one of them started with a '3' in the vin.
It's amazing how few people know hat that means. The gm truck plant was in Canada for some time, I believe they moved it back to either indiana or tn. They still use a ton of Mexican and Canadian parts, which is why they rank low on the list. Also their top selling car, the impala, also made in Canada
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Old 10-14-2012 | 07:19 PM
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Chris, does GM Ford share their profits with us? I haven't got a check.

Like said above, profits go to shareholders, like it or not, Toyo and Honda have american branches that are doing well for us HERE.



BMW, Mercedes, Toyo, Honda and Hyundia all have plants in the SE. New plants

I am all about american made, and I love this country. But the name plate on a car needs more research before you can call it american made. Heck, Dodge and GM have marketed "american made" with plants and parts factories in Mexico and Canada for years, because it is North Amercia....that doesn't help us.

The most US made car, parts, labor, assembly, US percentage of all.....is a Toyota Camry, the Ford F-150 is second

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some good points and I beleive we have talked about this before. Its not as simple as we all would like to think. Just because its an American company does not mean 100% of the vehicle is made in the US. Usually smaller components parts are outsourced and some bigger parts come from Canada or even Mexico. But the Japanese were brilliant in marketing and getting some or a lot of their vehicles made here as it has proved to be a huge PR victory along with making practical sense, but dont fool yourselfs thats not all apple pie either and not American as you think as I cant remember the figure but something like 80% of profits go back to japan but Toyota does dump billions into your economy each year. So one has to make the decison for themselves. personally I would rather see canada or Mexico get a paycheck then Japan or china.

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Old 10-14-2012 | 07:56 PM
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some good points and I beleive we have talked about this before. Its not as simple as we all would like to think. Just because its an American company does not mean 100% of the vehicle is made in the US. Usually smaller components parts are outsourced and some bigger parts come from Canada or even Mexico. But the Japanese were brilliant in marketing and getting some or a lot of their vehicles made here as it has proved to be a huge PR victory along with making practical sense, but dont fool yourselfs thats not all apple pie either and not American as you think as I cant remember the figure but something like 80% of profits go back to japan but Toyota does dump billions into your economy each year. So one has to make the decison for themselves. personally I would rather see canada or Mexico get a paycheck then Japan or china.
You guys keep saying all of the profits "go back to japan" like the company is owned but the Japanese gov't or something?

So you are saying GM has vhicles made in Mexico and Canada then takes the profits and spend all the oney here on american made products? I call BS.

All the car companies are GLOBAL now, Honda and Toyota have headquaters here in america that operate as free standing corporations, just as GM, Ford and Chrysler do in other countries. We drive more cars than any country, its no longer about the brand name, but about quality and where it is made.

You guys that continue to suck the sack of these so called american car companies that keep putting out sub standard product that has know issues that seem to never get addressed are just crazy, I'll keep driving my toyota
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Old 10-14-2012 | 08:05 PM
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My Avalanche was made in Mexico and my Subaru was made in the US and the quality of the Subaru is so much better then GM it's sad if they made a 2500 truck I wouldn't own anything but Subarus
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Old 10-14-2012 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 4bus
You guys keep saying all of the profits "go back to japan" like the company is owned but the Japanese gov't or something?

So you are saying GM has vhicles made in Mexico and Canada then takes the profits and spend all the oney here on american made products? I call BS.

All the car companies are GLOBAL now, Honda and Toyota have headquaters here in america that operate as free standing corporations, just as GM, Ford and Chrysler do in other countries. We drive more cars than any country, its no longer about the brand name, but about quality and where it is made.

You guys that continue to suck the sack of these so called american car companies that keep putting out sub standard product that has know issues that seem to never get addressed are just crazy, I'll keep driving my toyota
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Old 10-14-2012 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by andyt25
My Avalanche was made in Mexico and my Subaru was made in the US and the quality of the Subaru is so much better then GM it's sad if they made a 2500 truck I wouldn't own anything but Subarus
and i wish BMW made a 2500 series suv,,love my 7 series..
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Old 10-14-2012 | 08:16 PM
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Well I gotta say I don't see domestic vehicles substandard to imports. Toyota has had its share of issues, although they get much less press than the big 3 do. Lots of recalls in the last 2 years. And Toyota engines were only briefly used in boats. There is a reason they are almost all gm engines in marine applications. Subarus ride like a dump truck. You guys are right they are all global companies now, and while some individual models may exceed others, the playing field over all is getting pretty flat. It is all coming down to personal preferences.
I have driven and abused GM all my life, some to 300K, most over 100K. Everything else just shifts funny to me!
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