Ford issues
 

Looks like there are more then a few having issues with stalling. Bummer i like the trucks.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/u...oblem-28312705



Federal regulators are investigating whether Ford Motor Co. should expand a 2013 safety recall of diesel trucks.

The previous recall involved 2,951 F-350, F-450 and F-550 trucks sold with ambulance packages. The trucks were equipped with 6.7-liter diesel engines that could stall because of a malfunctioning sensor. Ford replaced the sensors for free.

But since then, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says it has received complaints from truck owners who didn't have the ambulance packages as well as owners who got the first repair.

The government is now investigating to see whether the first recall repair worked, and whether Ford should expand the recall to cover all of the 200,000 diesel-equipped trucks it sold from the 2011 and 2012 model years.

Ford spokeswoman Kelli Felker says the company is cooperating with the investigation.

Interesting, thanks for posting.

Ford and Issues two words that go together like bread and butter.

I look at your avatar and two words go together... RIGHT and LEFT......

Now, what was the question....

So the government (via the Environmental Protection Agency) mandates that an engine (the Ford 6.7 liter Powerstroke in this case) is to shut off – rather than possibly exceed emissions regulations – when an EGT sensor fails. Then when these engines do start shutting down when any one of the four EGT sensors fail, they threaten to force the manufacturer to recall the vehicles. Both the engines and the manufacturer are doing exactly what the government required them to do.

Does anybody else see the folly in this whole mess? Maybe we should mandate that the EPA is to shut down whenever they screw up. Oh wait, they never screw up. Never mind.

No- that is not correct. The Government did NOT mandate this. The issue is the Ford 6.7 are shutting down due to faulty sensors. The government is mandating a review of this to see if a recall should be issued. Ford's ECM shuts the engine down because it thinks the engine is over temp and will burn itself up.

This is not an isolated issue. Go to powerstroke.org and you will see numerous people with similar 6.7 issues.

Wannabe

I absolutely agree that the engines are shutting themselves down due to sensors that have failed. (And remember, every single part of a vehicle will fail eventually.) The EPA mandated that the engines do this instead of kicking a CEL or something less drastic. In fact if you do a little digging, you'll find that in Australia, they have the exact same issue. But, since nobody wants to have their truck shut itself down in the middle of the outback where one might starve to death, they have a work around.

In fact, there was a thread here not too long ago about just this issue:

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/t...lfunction.html

And here's the best post in that thread:

As a diesel power tuning hobbyist, I'll attempt shed a bit of light on what's happening here. All the new domestic trucks share this same part, and point of failure.

The engine goes into "limp mode" because those EGT sensors are considered part of the emissions system. Nothing to do with engine safety. If any part of "emissions" fails, or provides the ECM out of spec data, the ECM/PCM goes into limp. Forcing the driver to resolve this issue within a few miles, or push the truck home. Cause we all know it's better to limp 100 miles out of the bush, while maintaining legal emissions. Even if that means you'll likely be eaten by a bear along the way. At least you'll die with a CLEAN conscience.

On a good note, if you do make it into a dealership, push the point that these are emissions critical parts. Ask to see the fault codes, and then point out where is says EPA - Emissions beside the description. If your under 80k they "should" be covered like the DPF and other exhaust parts according to the LAW. But you may need to jump up and down and shout at the service manager with a high volume to get his attention to this fact.
Another good link on this http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/...s-ford-448801/

Your other choices are as listed above. Carry spares sensors, a scan tool of some sorts, and learn to change them yourself. Along with something to keep the bears off you while making the change. Luckily our Aussie friends are exempt from such troubles. They successfully petitioned the government to allow one to legally remove, or at least work around these limp problems. How? By stating my 100 miles in the bush case, and swapping out the "bear" with horny-rabbit kangaroo's...

It worked for them, and some nice guys from New Zealand released a tuning system called EFIlive. For now it only works on GM and Dodge, but does allow one to "in case of dire emergencies" remove all that limp related stuff from of the ECM. Thus avoiding being ass raped by said kangaroo's, or eaten alive by a grizzly bear. With new Ford's 6.7L it's a little tricky, but professional SCT tuners can still write off-road RACE tunes that do the same thing. Saving you from the bears and kangaroo's, but allowing you to be ass raped by the feds if they catch ya running it on the street.

Hope that helps. And remember, always carry good running shoes in your new diesel vehicle...

This is absolutely ridiculous that if one of the four EGT sensors fail the truck shuts down! Where is the logic behind this? If 1, 2 and 4 are reading normal than everything is normal. Throw the code and get it fix as early as possible, rather than shutting the damn thing down completely.

The earlier thread is now making sense as is this widespread problem.

If this is mandated by the EPA does that mean if a GM or Dodge has a EGR sensor go bad they also have to shut down?

like ford gives a chit .or the dept of transpertation ... there all puppets to big buisness .. if ford got away with the firestone . the death wobble . . now this .. its just the way buisness goes .. ford still builds a hell of a truck .. but they keep everyone in the dark .instead of letting people know how to fix there dam truck .. like gm is any better .. letting people die in crashes and hiding the truth .. and the transpertation dept was where again ..buisy trying to sweep it under the rug just like ford .. they al are bastards when it comes to doing the right thing .. and the goverment right in on it with them .. thts my daily rant .. come on summer ..

Had this issue today with an employee truck. Left him stranded with crew and large dump trailer in traffic. Truck said "Please pull over safely". He had to have someone tow him up and out of traffic to disconnect trailer. By the time I got there to haul the trailer, crew had moved on and wrecker was loading the truck. Dealer said, its just a sensor. Get it here quick and we can have you out today. The tow was about 1.5 miles to dealer.

Last week, friend with 7.3 Excursion calls me and says I think I am breaking down. Truck is down on power, smoking like a freight train and barely moving its own weight. Long store short, he limped it 25 miles to his house. Today finds out the valve cover bracket had rubbed through wire harness and had only 4 injectors firing... but it ran long enough to get out of harms way.

I don't understand the logic for little to zero notice of shut down. This is happening in Ambulances in Dallas! Shutting down during emergencies.

My next door neighbors 2012 F-350 truck shut down due to faulty nox sensor. Fortunately it was not on the highway, it was in a donut drive through. Not the first time his truck has been towed home by my Duramax

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Boy I'm glad my diesel days are behind me, I dodge a bullet on that ticking time bomb 6.0.

Ford blamed IH for ALL their Diesel engine troubles.Packed up their toybox said "were going to build our own" goodbye IH.
They have a great truck............ cannot supply a reliable diesel they have proven once again.

If you guys hurry up, you can sell your 6.7 and buy a duramax before spring time !

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the 6.7 has proven to be a very strong and relible truck ,, 11 and early 12 had some issues but overall a good mill .. how many of theese gm s better than ford threads .. they all have issues . dodge has bad trannyies . ford cant build a diesl . duramax had bad injectors . i guess hopefully you have a warrentee . and buy what treats you the best .. i myself would buy any of our american made trucks . my truck of choice is a gm taking cause i wanted to give the d max a rip .. i like it .. but i cant say its better than my 13 powerstoke 6.7 .. i just loved the new look .

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GM injector issues ended with the 2004.5 model. What have you got since then? My neighbor has had a 6.0, 6.4 and 6.7 since I bought my LLY/LBZ and he isn't a happy camper. The local Ford house has been generous with the trade-ins so he still will try again. The same Ford house has a large parking lot full of diesels (I'd guess 40-60) waiting repair. The GM dealer across the street only has a few.

Ford has been the better looking truck IMO however looks only get you so far.

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Is your GM truck alright in that picture? It looks like that big ol' Ford might be just a little too much for the rear suspension. :lolhit:

All kidding aside, the best money I spent on my GMC was for this....

http://www.activesuspension.com/

No airbags, no compressor or air chuck needed and best of all it really helped with axle wrap.

Ford sells 2 to 1 of course there's gonna be more in for repair....

Oh please.....they must be parking them off-site. GM can't even get those gay daytime running/parking lights to stay lit.

I just assumed that Ford stopped selling diesel pickups after the 6.0 and 6.4 fiasco's. Who in their right mind would buy one?

I have one and I love it. I guess I'm out of my mind, my 6.7 pulls my top gun with ease.

Some of the LLY's had injector issues too. Just not near the number the LB7's had. The LLY's biggest issue was overheating.

Very few new 2015's Duramax with issues. Savoie Chevrolet said it was the smoothest rollout they seen in a long time.

Wannabe

Knock on wood but my 2015 F350 is fantastic! I hope it continues to be so.

personally the 6.4 is awsom engine after you delete it .. just bought one for my son . hell of a truck

if they only had the balls of a ford .id be happy ..n i had to buy gm while i was driving a new ford , not to long ago ,,, can i say bankrupt lol

Well when they keep breaking, you have to keep buying more!

LOL no doubt. On a side note, my gf has an 05 Mustang....I have put more rear brake light/turn signal bulbs in that car than all the bulbs ive put in every vehicle ive owned in my life. Its not just hers either. her mom also has the same car with the same deal as well as several others I see on the road. Its freakin ridiculous !

I believe the OP's article was referring to the early 6.7s.......I would hope the '15 Duramax's have had "very few" issues seeing that it's JANUARY 2015. I don't really have a dog in this fight, I drive a junky ol' Cummins 5.9, but to try and say the SuperDuty 6.7 is by and large junk is a stretch.

OP is discussing the issues of the 6.7 and the EGT sensors. It's not pervasive but by no means isolated. Go to Powerstroke.org and the 6.7's have lots of issues.

I hope Ford can fix the issue. Not dissing them at all, great trucks.

Go to any forum about either brand all of them have lots of issues, its where people go to talk about issues.

Be fair, the "roll out" of the new model brought an engine and tranny dating back to 2001......not exactly new parts there! :D

I had a Duramax, I currently drive a Ford and if I went diesel again it would be another Duramax for sure.

Although not EPA verified, that seems to be Ford's sweet spot for mileage numbers. :party-smiley-004:

+2

Arizona to Michigan 80 mph.....smooth

Essentially unchanged from 2011 mechaniacally- they tell me there were tweaks to the DEF system and DPF

We have 2012 with 70k on it bought new. ALOT of towing miles only 1 NOX SEnsor recall never was a problem but replaced because of the recall. Just bought another 2013 with 26 k on it. So now have 2. So far so good!

Recall Notices are appearing in mailboxes= EGT sensor issue

RECALL
FIELD SERVICE ACTION NUMBER: 14E03

I read it on the internet so it HAS to be true

There is only one thing more tru then reading it on the Internet. And that is believing what your dealership told you. Haha that's funnt chit!

Probably the smoothest because of all our tax payer money to keep there jap diesel running.

Just another Ford FYI....buddy had his ecoboost go boom last week. 2011 F150 crew 4X4, 42k miles. He is in his 50s, truck is bone stock/daily driver never tows/hauls anything big. Put pedal down to pass and traction control activated, truck shuddered and engine pushed a rod through the block. Ford is covering it under power train warranty.