Wildman_grafix

Looks like there are more then a few having issues with stalling. Bummer i like the trucks.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/u...oblem-28312705



Federal regulators are investigating whether Ford Motor Co. should expand a 2013 safety recall of diesel trucks.

The previous recall involved 2,951 F-350, F-450 and F-550 trucks sold with ambulance packages. The trucks were equipped with 6.7-liter diesel engines that could stall because of a malfunctioning sensor. Ford replaced the sensors for free.

But since then, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says it has received complaints from truck owners who didn't have the ambulance packages as well as owners who got the first repair.

The government is now investigating to see whether the first recall repair worked, and whether Ford should expand the recall to cover all of the 200,000 diesel-equipped trucks it sold from the 2011 and 2012 model years.

Ford spokeswoman Kelli Felker says the company is cooperating with the investigation.

TW720HVY

iTrader: (1)

Interesting, thanks for posting.

ICDEDPPL

iTrader: (1)

Ford and Issues two words that go together like bread and butter.

wannabe

I look at your avatar and two words go together... RIGHT and LEFT......

Now, what was the question....

Too Stroked

So the government (via the Environmental Protection Agency) mandates that an engine (the Ford 6.7 liter Powerstroke in this case) is to shut off – rather than possibly exceed emissions regulations – when an EGT sensor fails. Then when these engines do start shutting down when any one of the four EGT sensors fail, they threaten to force the manufacturer to recall the vehicles. Both the engines and the manufacturer are doing exactly what the government required them to do.

Does anybody else see the folly in this whole mess? Maybe we should mandate that the EPA is to shut down whenever they screw up. Oh wait, they never screw up. Never mind.

wannabe

No- that is not correct. The Government did NOT mandate this. The issue is the Ford 6.7 are shutting down due to faulty sensors. The government is mandating a review of this to see if a recall should be issued. Ford's ECM shuts the engine down because it thinks the engine is over temp and will burn itself up.

This is not an isolated issue. Go to powerstroke.org and you will see numerous people with similar 6.7 issues.

Wannabe

Too Stroked

I absolutely agree that the engines are shutting themselves down due to sensors that have failed. (And remember, every single part of a vehicle will fail eventually.) The EPA mandated that the engines do this instead of kicking a CEL or something less drastic. In fact if you do a little digging, you'll find that in Australia, they have the exact same issue. But, since nobody wants to have their truck shut itself down in the middle of the outback where one might starve to death, they have a work around.

In fact, there was a thread here not too long ago about just this issue:

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/t...lfunction.html

And here's the best post in that thread:

As a diesel power tuning hobbyist, I'll attempt shed a bit of light on what's happening here. All the new domestic trucks share this same part, and point of failure.

The engine goes into "limp mode" because those EGT sensors are considered part of the emissions system. Nothing to do with engine safety. If any part of "emissions" fails, or provides the ECM out of spec data, the ECM/PCM goes into limp. Forcing the driver to resolve this issue within a few miles, or push the truck home. Cause we all know it's better to limp 100 miles out of the bush, while maintaining legal emissions. Even if that means you'll likely be eaten by a bear along the way. At least you'll die with a CLEAN conscience.

On a good note, if you do make it into a dealership, push the point that these are emissions critical parts. Ask to see the fault codes, and then point out where is says EPA - Emissions beside the description. If your under 80k they "should" be covered like the DPF and other exhaust parts according to the LAW. But you may need to jump up and down and shout at the service manager with a high volume to get his attention to this fact.
Another good link on this http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/...s-ford-448801/

Your other choices are as listed above. Carry spares sensors, a scan tool of some sorts, and learn to change them yourself. Along with something to keep the bears off you while making the change. Luckily our Aussie friends are exempt from such troubles. They successfully petitioned the government to allow one to legally remove, or at least work around these limp problems. How? By stating my 100 miles in the bush case, and swapping out the "bear" with horny-rabbit kangaroo's...

It worked for them, and some nice guys from New Zealand released a tuning system called EFIlive. For now it only works on GM and Dodge, but does allow one to "in case of dire emergencies" remove all that limp related stuff from of the ECM. Thus avoiding being ass raped by said kangaroo's, or eaten alive by a grizzly bear. With new Ford's 6.7L it's a little tricky, but professional SCT tuners can still write off-road RACE tunes that do the same thing. Saving you from the bears and kangaroo's, but allowing you to be ass raped by the feds if they catch ya running it on the street.

Hope that helps. And remember, always carry good running shoes in your new diesel vehicle...

TW720HVY

iTrader: (1)

This is absolutely ridiculous that if one of the four EGT sensors fail the truck shuts down! Where is the logic behind this? If 1, 2 and 4 are reading normal than everything is normal. Throw the code and get it fix as early as possible, rather than shutting the damn thing down completely.

The earlier thread is now making sense as is this widespread problem.

Wildman_grafix

If this is mandated by the EPA does that mean if a GM or Dodge has a EGR sensor go bad they also have to shut down?

ROB FREEMAN

iTrader: (2)

like ford gives a chit .or the dept of transpertation ... there all puppets to big buisness .. if ford got away with the firestone . the death wobble . . now this .. its just the way buisness goes .. ford still builds a hell of a truck .. but they keep everyone in the dark .instead of letting people know how to fix there dam truck .. like gm is any better .. letting people die in crashes and hiding the truth .. and the transpertation dept was where again ..buisy trying to sweep it under the rug just like ford .. they al are bastards when it comes to doing the right thing .. and the goverment right in on it with them .. thts my daily rant .. come on summer ..