Towing w/ Gas?
02-23-2021 | 08:23 AM
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I appreciate your thoughts, but Sydways is a tool the way posts. He and his cheerleaders can keep their opinions to themselves or post away. It doesn't matter to me either way. I'm well versed in trailering. I've been trailering everything from my 69 Camaro in my enclosed trailer to race cars, motorcycles, boats and God only knows what else for more than 30 years. Yes, I'm much older than that. I wasn't trailering when I was born. I understand some of their points, but unfortunately Sydways threw himself into something Cheech and Chong started after blazing a few too many. Sydways may have some knowledge or he might be a keyboard warrior. I don't know him and the way he comes across I don't care to. He made some statements and that's fine. He's stated his opinions. Move on...
I do what I do with my eyes wide open. My mind is also wide open, but I choose based on my first hand knowledge to do what I do. I don't base my opinions on something I read on the internet and I definitely don't compare someone else's tow set up to tow setups that are completely different like the good folks in this thread keep doing. They're even comparing the 3.5L to the older 5.4L which isn't anywhere near the 405 lbft and 325 hp the 3.5L is. It's a completely different drive train. One nitwit keeps posting pics of brakes etc. that probably go to a Prius. They sure aren't the ones on my 17 Expy or the 07 I had before it. If someone wants to throw back a few and discuss this further, let's do it, but arguing on the internet is pointless. I'm responding to you because you posted a rational post. Just in case you didn't catch it before, my boat weighs about 9,920 lbs WITH the trailer. It's not the 15k lb tank or skidsteer or whatever else others would have you believe. Imaginations have gone wild on this thread.
I do what I do with my eyes wide open. My mind is also wide open, but I choose based on my first hand knowledge to do what I do. I don't base my opinions on something I read on the internet and I definitely don't compare someone else's tow set up to tow setups that are completely different like the good folks in this thread keep doing. They're even comparing the 3.5L to the older 5.4L which isn't anywhere near the 405 lbft and 325 hp the 3.5L is. It's a completely different drive train. One nitwit keeps posting pics of brakes etc. that probably go to a Prius. They sure aren't the ones on my 17 Expy or the 07 I had before it. If someone wants to throw back a few and discuss this further, let's do it, but arguing on the internet is pointless. I'm responding to you because you posted a rational post. Just in case you didn't catch it before, my boat weighs about 9,920 lbs WITH the trailer. It's not the 15k lb tank or skidsteer or whatever else others would have you believe. Imaginations have gone wild on this thread.
You can stop posting about HP and Torque. Nobody cares if you blow up your engine or transmission.
People are concerned about your tail wagging your dog. You have a heavy steel bumper on the front of your Expedition. If you have an emergency situation and need to stop or make an evasive maneuver to avoid the 17 year old girl driving a Prius who dropped her lipstick, you are going to literally going to split the car and her in half. You don't have enough truck to control your load. And THAT is why people have their concerns It's your gamble; not ours. However, God forbid the parent of that 17 year old girl read this post.
May the odds be in your favor.
02-23-2021 | 08:39 AM
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FWIW2:
This 2500 Avalanche was rated to tow 12,000 lbs. I towed just like this for 2 years. I had a Class-V hitch upgrade, airbags, an a full WD hitch. That towed setup weight almost exactly 12,000 lbs.
Instead of upgrading that trailer to EoH brakes, I bought a Myco, a much better trailer. And I upgraded to a 1-ton DRW truck.
I am sharing my PERSONAL experience. The best thing you can do when building your towing setup is be somewhere around 67-75% of your truck's towing capacity. That way you have "truck in reserve" to CYA in case of an emergency or failure. I did NOT have that with my Avalanche 2500.
And that is why I upgraded.
And while I don't have the big boat anymore, I still have a proper setup for my race hauler.
Last, I don't mind being called a tool. Tools are useful in the right hands.
I've been called way, WAY worse. Have you ever dated a middle Eastern woman?
(That was a rhetorical question.)
This 2500 Avalanche was rated to tow 12,000 lbs. I towed just like this for 2 years. I had a Class-V hitch upgrade, airbags, an a full WD hitch. That towed setup weight almost exactly 12,000 lbs.
Instead of upgrading that trailer to EoH brakes, I bought a Myco, a much better trailer. And I upgraded to a 1-ton DRW truck.
I am sharing my PERSONAL experience. The best thing you can do when building your towing setup is be somewhere around 67-75% of your truck's towing capacity. That way you have "truck in reserve" to CYA in case of an emergency or failure. I did NOT have that with my Avalanche 2500.
And that is why I upgraded.
And while I don't have the big boat anymore, I still have a proper setup for my race hauler.
Last, I don't mind being called a tool. Tools are useful in the right hands.
I've been called way, WAY worse. Have you ever dated a middle Eastern woman?
(That was a rhetorical question.)
02-23-2021 | 09:42 AM
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FWIW, I said you were a tool the way you posted responses. You're probably a good guy off line. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. You whined about me mentioning my tq and hp and you didn't care what the context was. "I definitely don't compare someone else's tow set up to tow setups that are completely different like the good folks in this thread keep doing. They're even comparing the 3.5L to the older 5.4L which isn't anywhere near the 420 lbft and 325 hp the 3.5L is. It's a completely different drive train."
For sh1ts and giggles I took the set up down to a local landfill and weighed everything. It's good to know the exact weights. First trip was the boat with a full tank of fuel and trailer towed by the evil baby brake edition Expy. 17,100 lbs with two people in the cab. Came back with just the Expy. 6,820. Total boat and trailer is 10,280 lbs.
For sh1ts and giggles I took the set up down to a local landfill and weighed everything. It's good to know the exact weights. First trip was the boat with a full tank of fuel and trailer towed by the evil baby brake edition Expy. 17,100 lbs with two people in the cab. Came back with just the Expy. 6,820. Total boat and trailer is 10,280 lbs.
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02-23-2021 | 10:06 AM
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FWIW, I said you were a tool the way you posted responses. You're probably a good guy off line. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. You whined about me mentioning my tq and hp and you didn't care what the context was. "I definitely don't compare someone else's tow set up to tow setups that are completely different like the good folks in this thread keep doing. They're even comparing the 3.5L to the older 5.4L which isn't anywhere near the 405 lbft and 325 hp the 3.5L is. It's a completely different drive train."
For sh1ts and giggles I took the set up down to a local landfill and weighed everything. It's good to know the exact weights. First trip was the boat with a full tank of fuel and trailer towed by the evil baby brake edition Expy. 17,100 lbs with two people in the cab. Came back with just the Expy. 6,820. Total boat and trailer is 10,280 lbs.
For sh1ts and giggles I took the set up down to a local landfill and weighed everything. It's good to know the exact weights. First trip was the boat with a full tank of fuel and trailer towed by the evil baby brake edition Expy. 17,100 lbs with two people in the cab. Came back with just the Expy. 6,820. Total boat and trailer is 10,280 lbs.
02-23-2021 | 10:10 AM
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Let's say for the sake of argument the engine wasn't in the boat because you guys are going to believe what you believe. Add 1,080 lbs for a fully dressed 454. 11,360 lbs would be the boat and trailer weight. I don't remove anything from the boat for the winter.
02-23-2021 | 10:48 AM
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FWIW, I said you were a tool the way you posted responses. You're probably a good guy off line. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. You whined about me mentioning my tq and hp and you didn't care what the context was. "I definitely don't compare someone else's tow set up to tow setups that are completely different like the good folks in this thread keep doing. They're even comparing the 3.5L to the older 5.4L which isn't anywhere near the 420 lbft and 325 hp the 3.5L is. It's a completely different drive train."
For sh1ts and giggles I took the set up down to a local landfill and weighed everything. It's good to know the exact weights. First trip was the boat with a full tank of fuel and trailer towed by the evil baby brake edition Expy. 17,100 lbs with two people in the cab. Came back with just the Expy. 6,820. Total boat and trailer is 10,280 lbs.
For sh1ts and giggles I took the set up down to a local landfill and weighed everything. It's good to know the exact weights. First trip was the boat with a full tank of fuel and trailer towed by the evil baby brake edition Expy. 17,100 lbs with two people in the cab. Came back with just the Expy. 6,820. Total boat and trailer is 10,280 lbs.
So your Maximum Tow Capacity is 9,300 lbs.
And your GCWR is is 15,300 lbs.
And you are towing 11,360 lbs.
And your actual GCW is 18,180 lbs.
22.1% over Maximum Towing Capacity.
18.9% over GCWR, before you put anything or anyone else (beyond you and a passenger) in the truck.
My reason for pointing these things out is they are going to key numbers in a lawsuit, should one ever be in play.
I work in risk calculation for a living. So, yes, I am always conscious of these attributes.
Towing 11,360 lbs. worth of boat is COMPLETELY different than towing 11,360. of lead bars on an equipment trailer. The manufacturers don't account for this. If you remember, back in the day, some manufacturers would calculate maximum frontal square footage for campers; as such related to drag on the drivetrain of the tow vehicle. When I said tail wagging the dog, that's what also what I'm referring too. The mass of weight when you have your engine re-installed is going to be aft of the axles.
FWIW, I gave my own GF the same shlt for towing over her just obtained vintage camper with ancient tires and no working brakes behind her diesel Touareg. She purposely did it on a day when I was away racing so I couldn't explain to her how dangerous it was. Sometimes folks need to have others point out these types of attributes. In this case; even when "driving real slow, and taking back roads, and being really careful."
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02-23-2021 | 11:03 AM
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I don't have any reason not to believe you on specs.
So your Maximum Tow Capacity is 9,300 lbs.
And your GCWR is is 15,300 lbs.
And you are towing 11,360 lbs.
And your actual GCW is 18,180 lbs.
22.1% over Maximum Towing Capacity.
18.9% over GCWR, before you put anything or anyone else (beyond you and a passenger) in the truck.
My reason for pointing these things out is they are going to key numbers in a lawsuit, should one ever be in play.
I work in risk calculation for a living. So, yes, I am always conscious of these attributes.
Towing 11,360 lbs. worth of boat is COMPLETELY different than towing 11,360. of lead bars on an equipment trailer. The manufacturers don't account for this. If you remember, back in the day, some manufacturers would calculate maximum frontal square footage for campers; as such related to drag on the drivetrain of the tow vehicle. When I said tail wagging the dog, that's what also what I'm referring too. The mass of weight when you have your engine re-installed is going to be aft of the axles.
FWIW, I gave my own GF the same shlt for towing over her just obtained vintage camper with ancient tires and no working brakes behind her diesel Touareg. She purposely did it on a day when I was away racing so I couldn't explain to her how dangerous it was. Sometimes folks need to have others point out these types of attributes. In this case; even when "driving real slow, and taking back roads, and being really careful."
So your Maximum Tow Capacity is 9,300 lbs.
And your GCWR is is 15,300 lbs.
And you are towing 11,360 lbs.
And your actual GCW is 18,180 lbs.
22.1% over Maximum Towing Capacity.
18.9% over GCWR, before you put anything or anyone else (beyond you and a passenger) in the truck.
My reason for pointing these things out is they are going to key numbers in a lawsuit, should one ever be in play.
I work in risk calculation for a living. So, yes, I am always conscious of these attributes.
Towing 11,360 lbs. worth of boat is COMPLETELY different than towing 11,360. of lead bars on an equipment trailer. The manufacturers don't account for this. If you remember, back in the day, some manufacturers would calculate maximum frontal square footage for campers; as such related to drag on the drivetrain of the tow vehicle. When I said tail wagging the dog, that's what also what I'm referring too. The mass of weight when you have your engine re-installed is going to be aft of the axles.
FWIW, I gave my own GF the same shlt for towing over her just obtained vintage camper with ancient tires and no working brakes behind her diesel Touareg. She purposely did it on a day when I was away racing so I couldn't explain to her how dangerous it was. Sometimes folks need to have others point out these types of attributes. In this case; even when "driving real slow, and taking back roads, and being really careful."
