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Padraig 06-08-2018 01:19 PM

VR 1 ready
 
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6ccbfc3269.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...4146e3c3d5.jpg
I put the VR 1 in just before Memorial day weekend. Didn't get a chance to thourghly clean and wax as my Yukon had to go into the body shop. Poor baby sat on the lift, dirty and dull.

I pulled it out yesterday, washed,clayed,polishef and waxed it today. I am tired but happy. Will fill the gas tank and put it back im.

Padraig

Ryan00TJ 06-08-2018 01:35 PM

Lookin good! Amazing how fast they get dirty? From description you keep it on a dock lift?

underpsi68 06-08-2018 03:16 PM

Looks great!!! I'm biased towards Velocities though.
Do you remember where you got the trailer box from? A model/part number by chance?

Padraig 06-08-2018 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by Ryan00TJ (Post 4630954)
Lookin good! Amazing how fast they get dirty? From description you keep it on a dock lift?

Thanks, Ryan. Yes I live on Chautauqua Lake in Western NY. The boat is on a Shore Station lift at the end of the dock and I have a full cover on the boat. It is on the lift now so will post a pic later.

Padraig

Ryan00TJ 06-09-2018 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Padraig (Post 4630995)
Thanks, Ryan. Yes I live on Chautauqua Lake in Western NY. The boat is on a Shore Station lift at the end of the dock and I have a full cover on the boat. It is on the lift now so will post a pic later.

Padraig

Very nice. That's the optimum setup. Unfortunately, I wet slip mine. It beats trailering though. Usually pull it a few times over summer and clean. Full length covers are where it's at. You can tell who uses them. Sun is brutal.

psi, have the same box on mine. I'll get info for ya.

CJSYD 06-09-2018 12:19 PM

Hard work paying off... looks great sir!

Padraig 06-09-2018 01:36 PM

Thanks!

Padraig

BUP 06-09-2018 04:24 PM

^^^^^^ which poker runs are hitting this year ? still want a ride in the yellow machine. thats one boat I have never driven nor been in a VR1. Hope all is well for you and the wife.

Padraig 06-09-2018 04:37 PM

Hi, John, hope all is well with you.

We definitely are doing the Seneca Lake Battleship Run and thinking about doing Buffalo again. Buffalo is a great run but has gotten somewhat pricey. Not sure if I get $650 worth of fun out of it. I have run it many times but did not last year and may not this year. Not knocking it, they put on a great run just not sure if I want to spend that much.

Padraig

Padraig 06-11-2018 01:06 PM

Tool box mfg
 
PSI, hope this helps.

Padraighttps://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e5be9e15bb.jpg

Padraig 06-11-2018 01:11 PM

VR 1 on lift
 
Lift is partialy down, normally entire hull is out of water.https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3b5e0a056d.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6e21819d20.jpg


Padraig

underpsi68 06-11-2018 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Padraig (Post 4631407)

Thank you sir!!!!

Ryan00TJ 06-11-2018 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by Padraig (Post 4631408)

Awesome setup! Lookin good.

BUP 06-11-2018 11:20 PM

Surprised no car port overhead - I guess Im used to my area and all the lake house owners I have to go to for mobile boat service & repair. Heck alot of them do not even have a boat trailer but they have car ports overhead.. In all fairness its a freakin pizza oven here with sun & heat more so than NY would ever be

Padraig 06-12-2018 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4631532)
Surprised no car port overhead - I guess Im used to my area and all the lake house owners I have to go to for mobile boat service & repair. Heck alot of them do not even have a boat trailer but they have car ports overhead.. In all fairness its a freakin pizza oven here with sun & heat more so than NY would ever be

Because of the lake freezing the dock comes out every fall and is stored on shore. There are a few folks who have boat houses on shore but as Chautauqua is a relatively shallow Lake this can be difficult too. More common is a canvas canopy on the lift.

Padraig

SB 06-12-2018 06:34 AM

Or zoning laws like ours. Enclosures for boats (boat houses/awnings/etc) are only grandfathered in. Therefore, there are very few....even though you need more money than God to be on the lake now. As much as i don't like this law on first thought, our lake would be cluttered more if it was allowed. We have many narrow bays and coves, therefore it would appear very cluttered and more closed in if everyone did this.

Dave M 06-13-2018 06:22 AM

Looks great! So, what is the difference between a VR-1 and a 280/260?

Padraig 06-13-2018 07:40 AM

Thanks, Dave.
The VR 1 and 280 has pretty much the same bottom. The boat is somewhat lighter and more aerodynamic with a lower profile and a moulded in swim platform. It also has no wood anywhere in the boat. I don't know if it true for all of the VR 1s but this one runs flatter then my old 280.

Padraig

underpsi68 06-13-2018 10:46 AM

From what I read the vr1 has the pad center offset to one side 1/2" unlike the 280 to help with prop torque.

Padraig 06-13-2018 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by underpsi68 (Post 4631776)
From what I read the vr1 has the pad center offset to one side 1/2" unlike the 280 to help with prop torque.

Interesting, I never heard that before. Where did you read or hear this? Next time I talk with Kenny I'll ask him about it.

Thanks,
Padraig

Ryan00TJ 06-13-2018 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Padraig (Post 4631783)
Interesting, I never heard that before. Where did you read or hear this? Next time I talk with Kenny I'll ask him about it.

Thanks,
Padraig

Always ran RH on mine. The VR1 hull was designed with it in mind......

24* deadrise, conventional lifting strakes with a 3" high notched transom. 1' wide pad. Pad is offset 6.5" to port of keel and 5.5" to starboard to offset the right hand turning prop.

CJSYD 06-13-2018 04:58 PM

Ryan, does the deadrise differ between the VR1 and 290SC? Thought it was 22* for the 290...

modvp 06-13-2018 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by CJSYD (Post 4631851)
Ryan, does the deadrise differ between the VR1 and 290SC? Thought it was 22* for the 290...

They're the same in terms of dead rise and hull design. The difference between the 290 and VR1 are as follows. The VR1 is made up of coosa board stringers, bulkheads, and transom with vinylester resin throughout, foam core hull and deck.
The 290 is composed of balsa core hull laid up with general purpose resin, plywood stringers, bulkheads and transom. However, the deck is foam cored with vinylester resin.

Ryan00TJ 06-13-2018 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by modvp (Post 4631862)
They're the same in terms of dead rise and hull design. The difference between the 290 and VR1 are as follows. The VR1 is made up of coosa board stringers, bulkheads, and transom with vinylester resin throughout, foam core hull and deck.
The 290 is composed of balsa core hull laid up with general purpose resin, plywood stringers, bulkheads and transom. However, the deck is foam cored with vinylester resin.

Spot on. My docs state 24* deadrise.

CJSYD 06-13-2018 07:58 PM

Great details... thank you!

Padraig 06-13-2018 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by Ryan00TJ (Post 4631828)
Always ran RH on mine. The VR1 hull was designed with it in mind......

24* deadrise, conventional lifting strakes with a 3" high notched transom. 1' wide pad. Pad is offset 6.5" to port of keel and 5.5" to starboard to offset the right hand turning prop.

Ryan, oddly enough, Kenny H called me today about something else. I asked him about the pad being offset, He said no way. Now I am really curious, where did your info on this come from?
Thanks,
Padraig

Ryan00TJ 06-13-2018 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Padraig (Post 4631872)
Ryan, oddly enough, Kenny H called me today about something else. I asked him about the pad being offset, He said no way. Now I am really curious, where did your info on this come from?
Thanks,
Padraig

https://books.google.com/books?id=ryvhOo3ibdEC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=290sc+te st&source=bl&ots=QwkCq9uwud&sig=sO8WSvjfpImXXpb3rY CdBv8-8ko&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAqfududHbAhUM7qwKHYFmAe s4ChDoATABegQIBBAB#v=onepage&q=290sc%20test&f=fals e

That is the online article from Boating magazine. I also remember a Powerboat/Hotboat mag stating the same. They must have been mistaken. I would take Kenny H's info as authority on the subject. My mistake!

Padraig 06-13-2018 09:14 PM

Thanks, Ryan. Not trying to stir the pot. This is driving me crazy, LOL. Was hoping Revelocity would drop in as he is quite knowledgeable on Velocity.

Padraig

BUP 06-13-2018 09:35 PM

if that was the case - one could have the outdrive dead straight and see the offset one side to the other of the pad position or least do the measurement


IMO that does not sound right for tracking - off center pad. I would also think that steering input and handling might be felt having an offset like that.

Back in the day we had a new boat with tracking issues and so forth, The transom assembly / drive was off center ---- a tad over an inch to the port side and the boat tracked poorly and leaned to Port. . V hull single engine with a big block.

BUP 06-18-2018 12:21 AM

Just posting so far on the research of the pad size and offset ---- I ended up talking to a buddy of mine whom has a bunch of powerboat & hotboat mags

Power boat mag feb 2002 with the VR1 on the front cover - complete story on the new Vr1 - not one word written about the pad size or offset.

Powerboat mag July 2001 interview with Step Stepp talks about the New Velocity F1 Racer not one word mentioned about any offset pad also in the same mag a brief story about the new Vr1 under News & Notes Leaks -- nothing mentioned about an offset or pad size

Powerboat Mag March 2004 -----Velocity 290 complete story about testing the 290 - not one word mentioned about the size of the pad or an offset.

BUP 06-18-2018 12:39 AM

Power boat mag Feb 2002 Vr1 test shows the deadrise of 23

Boats.com shows deadrise 22 for the 290 and no mention of pad size or offset. Prob wrong deadrise posted. I have the brochures I should pull them out.

Velocity 290 SC: Powerboat Performance Report - boats.com

BUP 06-18-2018 12:56 AM

watch the video. At the end of the video Mark is posting specs and speed. 75. 3 mph at 5400 rpms no way for a stock 496 HO pushing 5400 rpms , it revs limited at 5150 rpms. Kind of funny for me since I see so many 496's. Well not so much currently but in the past.

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BUP 06-18-2018 01:12 AM

Hopefully you can open up the links I posted


Ryan00TJ 06-18-2018 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4632563)
watch the video. At the end of the video Mark is posting specs and speed. 75. 3 mph at 5400 rpms no way for a stock 496 HO pushing 5400 rpms , it revs limited at 5150 rpms. Kind of funny for me since I see so many 496's. Well not so much currently but in the past.

. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b635jyb4XAg

I believe the speed. Mine with Kenny H ran 73 on Lake Monroe. Wonder if the stock tach was off that much? Mine is roughly 50rpm higher than scantool. Prob a misprint.

Revelocity 06-18-2018 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Padraig (Post 4631878)
Thanks, Ryan. Not trying to stir the pot. This is driving me crazy, LOL. Was hoping Revelocity would drop in as he is quite knowledgeable on Velocity.

Padraig

Steve was pretty open to me about the development of the VR1/290 models and never mentioned any sort of pad offset. Other than on this forum, I've never heard of this. For those of you that have access to the Feb 2002 Powerboat article (which I likely still have somewhere???), that boat ran a left hand prop which supposedly gave it a higher top speed which would tend to confirm the symmetrical pad. This was probably the most positive Powerboat Magazine review of any new Velocity model. Eric Colby (PB editor) had a nice relationship with Steve but Bob Teague (PB tester) not so much! I really miss Powerboat Magazine. It's nice that the superb writing quality continues on through Matt Trulio.

BUP 06-18-2018 04:19 PM

my buddy stopped by to grab some boat parts and his fuel injectors. Anyways he left a couple handfuls of boat mags that has Velocity articles in them. I told him I was looking for specific info about the bottom design. Anyways I do have the Feb 2002 issue in my hands.

the article is about 1.5 pages. not big at all with good pics. This Vr1 is on the front cover of Powerboat mag as well.

Powerboat Mag --- reports the prop is a left hand 4 blade Hydromotive Intimidator - 15 1/2 x 29 moded by Halls Propeller.

280 K planes

28.6 L
8.2 beam
4500 lbs
23 degree deadrise
HP 500 EFI 470 hp
radar top speed 81.3 - Nordskog GPS 79 mph at 5200 rpms

fuel cap 80 gallons
planed in 5.1 seconds
min planing speed 19 mph.

gear ratio 1.5:1

Latham single ram hydro steering - mount on starboard side

does not show pic of mounting position of the 280 tabs. Wanted to see that but no pic included

Ryan00TJ 07-25-2018 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Ryan00TJ (Post 4631828)
Always ran RH on mine. The VR1 hull was designed with it in mind......

24* deadrise, conventional lifting strakes with a 3" high notched transom. 1' wide pad. Pad is offset 6.5" to port of keel and 5.5" to starboard to offset the right hand turning prop.

Pulled the boat to change a leaking circulating pump. Cleaning up the hull today. Looked at the pad. 12" wide. There is a centerline on the pad clearly visible. It is not centered on the pad running surface. 6.5" to port, 5.5" to starboard. While the pad bottom itself may not be offset to the centerline of the hull, the pad itself is.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6f3127a03d.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6846c21b0f.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...9f2f1cea1f.jpg

Padraig 07-25-2018 12:15 PM

And the plot thickens. Next time I pull mine I'll check the pad. Dam, I wish Steve was on OSO.

Thanks

Padraig

BUP 07-28-2018 03:44 PM

I did ask but did not get a pin point answer to why about the offset center line from the pad. Steve S. replied but did not let out the real reason. Sorry I tried.

BUP 08-03-2018 12:55 AM


Originally Posted by Ryan00TJ (Post 4631873)
https://books.google.com/books?id=ryvhOo3ibdEC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=290sc+te st&source=bl&ots=QwkCq9uwud&sig=sO8WSvjfpImXXpb3rY CdBv8-8ko&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAqfududHbAhUM7qwKHYFmAe s4ChDoATABegQIBBAB#v=onepage&q=290sc%20test&f=fals e

That is the online article from Boating magazine. I also remember a Powerboat/Hotboat mag stating the same. They must have been mistaken. I would take Kenny H's info as authority on the subject. My mistake!

How do you pull up this article about the bottom and the complete story in Boating Mag ? The link does not work


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