Originally Posted by MidOcean
(Post 3022889)
It is not only feasible... it is probable that the boat tripped over a set and stuffed into an oncoming wave. At 40 knots, and with 60,000 lbs behind it, that would be enough to shatter the bow and fore-deck right off.
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Im not buying the buoy theory as a lone cause.
Id say this, plus existing damage,plus a big wave hit - plus manufacturing defects. Look at how the fibreglass pulls away from the core material indicating they were never fused together to begin with. Core material should be bonded so thoroughly that it becomes one piece not a sandwich of layer loosely held together. This is what resin infusion and vacuum bagging are employed in the mafgr process for - to insure the complete bond. Uncle Dave |
I didn't read everything on the other site, but I would think they had radar on and could have seen most anything in front of them.
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Originally Posted by MidOcean
(Post 3021916)
An investigation is underway to determine what sank "Absolutely", a Bertram 630 in November. Bertram has developed its line of sportfishermen to a point where they are fast and light, making them more like their high performance "magnum" counterparts than the heavy Hatterases that they have been compared to in the past.
Look at the pics taken of "Absolutely" as she sits on the bottom. Note the fore-deck and the delimitation of the entry just above the waterline at the bow. Brings back memories of "The Heat is On" in Key West. http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/ge...ram-630-a.html T. |
Originally Posted by animalhouse
(Post 3022996)
There is no way that a 63 Bertram would have gone down as a result of impact with that buoy or one like it. I personally have seen a 73 Rybovitch hit a Large Chanel Marker (Nun) and sustain far less damage than this boat has. Also 32 Intrepid collided with a Large Can at 35 mph and finally went down after 2 hours, and sustained damage at the point of impact, but the entire boat didn't delaminate.
IMO the transom came off as a result of the water being forced through the hull, and traveling through the lower lazzarette and bilge area ripping the transom off with the force of the water. This is not an isolated incident with newer Bertrams, just the worst case so far, but I am sure there are more out there. I have over 6000 hours at the helm of several large Sport Fish Boats, and the 63 Bertram that I ran for a customer shuddered and flexed in a big sea, where as the Vikings that I ran more frequently have a solid feel. There may have been several factors involved, but the construction of the boat and their layup deffinately failed. |
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Look at the separation.
Core material is supposed to BOND as one piece with the glass and resin. This is NOT what this should look like. Uncle Dave |
Originally Posted by goof2
(Post 3023023)
A Bertram 630 weighs over 90,000 lbs. The boat was also supposed to be traveling around 25 knots, not 40. It is reported in that thread that seas were under 6 ft. I am no expert, but in my opinion a 63 foot sportfish should not be stuffing under those conditions.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Dave
(Post 3023105)
Look at the separation.
Core material is supposed to BOND as one piece with the glass and resin. This is NOT what this should look like. Uncle Dave |
Originally Posted by MidOcean
(Post 3023113)
Look up the wave station reports... 8,9 and 10 feet. "Absolutely" tops out at 42 knots. 90k further makes the argument for stuffing... It's all about momentum.
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Originally Posted by AIR TIME
(Post 3023101)
hey fred I read that the new vikings are cord too:eek:.
There is nothing wrong with a cored boat, if done properly. In fact if done properly the cored laminate is just as strong or stronger, with a serious weight advantage. |
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