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Old 10-03-2007 | 11:44 PM
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The staggered issue is a long one. Pat should really chime in on this one. It is one of his favorite subjects.  The bottom line is that not every boat needs staggers to balance the boat and shift center of gravity. The 600SC boat mentioned above that was staggered, in my opinion had poor center of gravity. It was closer to the nose that the center of the boat. I spent some time in and around that boat and it did not handle or perform as well as the side by sides even though it ran in the mid to upper 90’s. The DDC/ AVH hull is truly different from any other. It creates a forward COG and natural stern lift which most manufacturers are trying to find by a staggered configurations. If anything needs to be done to dial in the 37 AT AVH is to find more bow lift. Look at the Poker Run Americas review, the boat ran 105.1 with side by sides weighing in at around 10K+ lbs (full cabin). It wasn’t even propped right. The boat only turned 5300 RPM it had 200 RPM to spare which is 3+ mph. For example the 39 Top Gun with staggers runs consistently 103-104 mph and it is only a foot longer but weighs only 9300lbs which is 700 to 1k lbs lighter. That’s pretty competitive in my mine. I suggest going for a ride. You will not be disappointed.

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Old 10-03-2007 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by f311fr1
Drives are on a 18 inch instead of 36 in centerline. less drag from drives. Much harder around docks. It is not very practial in a pleasure boat, however Cig and Donzi do make staggered 39 and 38 footers.
If you cant dock a stagger boat then you sohuldnt be boating. It is not harder than a side by side. If it is, it's very very little. With the stagger the COG is lower and more in the center of the boat for better handling and usually ride. Most manufactures are all going to stagger engines so there is a reason for it. I think AT would be smart and make the 43 a stagger only boat and if they do make a more poker run 37 have stagger as an option as well.
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Old 10-04-2007 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by fountain40icbm
If you cant dock a stagger boat then you sohuldnt be boating. It is not harder than a side by side. If it is, it's very very little. With the stagger the COG is lower and more in the center of the boat for better handling and usually ride. Most manufactures are all going to stagger engines so there is a reason for it. I think AT would be smart and make the 43 a stagger only boat and if they do make a more poker run 37 have stagger as an option as well.
Thanks for the input! We'll take that RIGHT to the architect!

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Old 10-04-2007 | 07:56 AM
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If you cant dock a stagger boat then you sohuldnt be boating.a big harsh?? It is not harder than a side by side. yea, its a bit harder w/ engines closerIf it is, it's very very little. but if you can't dock a stagger xr boat, you surely can't dock a single ASD!!!With the stagger the COG is lower and more in the center of the boat for better handling and usually ride. Most manufactures are all going to stagger engines so there is a reason for it. I think AT would be smart and make the 43 a stagger only boat and if they do make a more poker run 37 have stagger as an option as well.
I'll stand by my original statement.
Boat hulls are designed for a specific COG.
If what CRB states is correct, then this boat will not run better w/ the weight forward. Getting the weight closer to centerline may help rough water running/side to side conditions, but forward/rear balance will be all off.
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Old 10-04-2007 | 08:18 AM
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AT and the DDC hull definitely buck the latest trend of multi-stepped hulls with staggered motors. If they can get their new 43 to run over 100 MPH with 700's/NXT's in a side by side configuration then they are on par with what other manufactures are doing...they will just be doing it in a different manner. If it works, it works.
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Old 10-04-2007 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by crb76
The staggered issue is a long one. Pat should really chime in on this one. It is one of his favorite subjects.  The bottom line is that not every boat needs staggers to balance the boat and shift center of gravity. The 600SC boat mentioned above that was staggered, in my opinion had poor center of gravity. It was closer to the nose that the center of the boat. I spent some time in and around that boat and it did not handle or perform as well as the side by sides even though it ran in the mid to upper 90’s. The DDC/ AVH hull is truly different from any other. It creates a forward COG and natural stern lift which most manufacturers are trying to find by a staggered configurations. If anything needs to be done to dial in the 37 AT AVH is to find more bow lift. Look at the Poker Run Americas review, the boat ran 105.1 with side by sides weighing in at around 10K+ lbs (full cabin). It wasn’t even propped right. The boat only turned 5300 RPM it had 200 RPM to spare which is 3+ mph. For example the 39 Top Gun with staggers runs consistently 103-104 mph and it is only a foot longer but weighs only 9300lbs which is 700 to 1k lbs lighter. That’s pretty competitive in my mine. I suggest going for a ride. You will not be disappointed.
fountain40icbm: maybe you should read this again....that's all
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Old 10-04-2007 | 12:46 PM
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fountain40icbm: maybe you should read this again....that's all
I was writing my post when he finished his and posted. So therefor leave the 37 alone and see if the stagger will work on the new 43. The 39 is 2 feet bigger and has run 107 with super props.
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Old 10-04-2007 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Stormrider
I'll stand by my original statement.
Boat hulls are designed for a specific COG.
If what CRB states is correct, then this boat will not run better w/ the weight forward. Getting the weight closer to centerline may help rough water running/side to side conditions, but forward/rear balance will be all off.
I was just stating form my experience from docking a staggered Cigarette compared to side by side ones as well as our Huslter. To me its not harder. Most cant dock to begin with so they think its harder but in reality its not that much.
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Old 10-04-2007 | 01:01 PM
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well, imo opinion i/o suck at the dock compared to a straight inboard, but i can do both no problem.
i was also able to parellel dock a 44 tempest diesel w/ t-torques into tight spaces when i was 20. Still easier to dock a 48 Viking SF from the bridge(w/o bow thrust) w/ a birds eye view.

A staggard boat will have less control at a dock than a non.Fact.
Don't mean you can't do it easily or can't get used to it.
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Old 10-04-2007 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by fountain40icbm
I was writing my post when he finished his and posted. So therefor leave the 37 alone and see if the stagger will work on the new 43. The 39 is 2 feet bigger and has run 107 with super props.
A 39 Gun is 38'6 and ~9300lbs (per Cigarette) with a notched transom. My 37 AT AVH measures 37 feet and some change and weights ~10250lbs less fuel without a notched transom. They measured and weighed my boat when they built the new trailer last month. The question at his is, does the boat need or could it benefit from a staggered configuration? In my opinion, as an owner, and my experience being around them since the first one in 1999, and the only staggered boat, is no! The facts tell me that the AT has side by sides, weighs 700-1K lbs heavier, ~a foot less running surface, and runs 105 with less than “super” props (stated in the article). The 39 Gun and the 38 Donzi (8800-9000lbs, with a 24 inch swim platform), benefit greatly from the staggered configuration, but run ~identical speeds as the AT. The bottom line is that the DDC hull balances the boat naturally and gives it comparable speeds with more weight than the competition. Weight helps with rough water capability thus AT’s biggest asset. The only thing I would recommend, and Pat is not going to like this, is adding ITS or a 6 to 8 inch standoff box to help get more bow lift with out doing it with props only (I love you Uncle Pat).

PS- The 39 Gun is one of my favorite boats and is probably the only other V-hull I would own. I was close to buying one until Uncle Pat & Jay took me and my dad out in 5-6 footer on my demo ride at 50-60mph. Sydwayz an my Dad chuckbeecher were also a little persuasive.

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