Staggered
#11
The staggered issue is a long one. Pat should really chime in on this one. It is one of his favorite subjects. The bottom line is that not every boat needs staggers to balance the boat and shift center of gravity. The 600SC boat mentioned above that was staggered, in my opinion had poor center of gravity. It was closer to the nose that the center of the boat. I spent some time in and around that boat and it did not handle or perform as well as the side by sides even though it ran in the mid to upper 90’s. The DDC/ AVH hull is truly different from any other. It creates a forward COG and natural stern lift which most manufacturers are trying to find by a staggered configurations. If anything needs to be done to dial in the 37 AT AVH is to find more bow lift. Look at the Poker Run Americas review, the boat ran 105.1 with side by sides weighing in at around 10K+ lbs (full cabin). It wasn’t even propped right. The boat only turned 5300 RPM it had 200 RPM to spare which is 3+ mph. For example the 39 Top Gun with staggers runs consistently 103-104 mph and it is only a foot longer but weighs only 9300lbs which is 700 to 1k lbs lighter. That’s pretty competitive in my mine. I suggest going for a ride. You will not be disappointed.
Last edited by crb76; 10-04-2007 at 12:50 AM.
#12
If you cant dock a stagger boat then you sohuldnt be boating. It is not harder than a side by side. If it is, it's very very little. With the stagger the COG is lower and more in the center of the boat for better handling and usually ride. Most manufactures are all going to stagger engines so there is a reason for it. I think AT would be smart and make the 43 a stagger only boat and if they do make a more poker run 37 have stagger as an option as well.
#13
If you cant dock a stagger boat then you sohuldnt be boating. It is not harder than a side by side. If it is, it's very very little. With the stagger the COG is lower and more in the center of the boat for better handling and usually ride. Most manufactures are all going to stagger engines so there is a reason for it. I think AT would be smart and make the 43 a stagger only boat and if they do make a more poker run 37 have stagger as an option as well.
Last edited by Sydwayz; 10-04-2007 at 07:58 AM.
#14
If you cant dock a stagger boat then you sohuldnt be boating.a big harsh?? It is not harder than a side by side. yea, its a bit harder w/ engines closerIf it is, it's very very little. but if you can't dock a stagger xr boat, you surely can't dock a single ASD!!!
With the stagger the COG is lower and more in the center of the boat for better handling and usually ride. Most manufactures are all going to stagger engines so there is a reason for it. I think AT would be smart and make the 43 a stagger only boat and if they do make a more poker run 37 have stagger as an option as well.
With the stagger the COG is lower and more in the center of the boat for better handling and usually ride. Most manufactures are all going to stagger engines so there is a reason for it. I think AT would be smart and make the 43 a stagger only boat and if they do make a more poker run 37 have stagger as an option as well.Boat hulls are designed for a specific COG.
If what CRB states is correct, then this boat will not run better w/ the weight forward. Getting the weight closer to centerline may help rough water running/side to side conditions, but forward/rear balance will be all off.
#15
AT and the DDC hull definitely buck the latest trend of multi-stepped hulls with staggered motors. If they can get their new 43 to run over 100 MPH with 700's/NXT's in a side by side configuration then they are on par with what other manufactures are doing...they will just be doing it in a different manner. If it works, it works.
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The staggered issue is a long one. Pat should really chime in on this one. It is one of his favorite subjects. The bottom line is that not every boat needs staggers to balance the boat and shift center of gravity. The 600SC boat mentioned above that was staggered, in my opinion had poor center of gravity. It was closer to the nose that the center of the boat. I spent some time in and around that boat and it did not handle or perform as well as the side by sides even though it ran in the mid to upper 90’s. The DDC/ AVH hull is truly different from any other. It creates a forward COG and natural stern lift which most manufacturers are trying to find by a staggered configurations. If anything needs to be done to dial in the 37 AT AVH is to find more bow lift. Look at the Poker Run Americas review, the boat ran 105.1 with side by sides weighing in at around 10K+ lbs (full cabin). It wasn’t even propped right. The boat only turned 5300 RPM it had 200 RPM to spare which is 3+ mph. For example the 39 Top Gun with staggers runs consistently 103-104 mph and it is only a foot longer but weighs only 9300lbs which is 700 to 1k lbs lighter. That’s pretty competitive in my mine. I suggest going for a ride. You will not be disappointed.
#17
#18
I'll stand by my original statement.
Boat hulls are designed for a specific COG.
If what CRB states is correct, then this boat will not run better w/ the weight forward. Getting the weight closer to centerline may help rough water running/side to side conditions, but forward/rear balance will be all off.
Boat hulls are designed for a specific COG.
If what CRB states is correct, then this boat will not run better w/ the weight forward. Getting the weight closer to centerline may help rough water running/side to side conditions, but forward/rear balance will be all off.
#19
well, imo opinion i/o suck at the dock compared to a straight inboard, but i can do both no problem.
i was also able to parellel dock a 44 tempest diesel w/ t-torques into tight spaces when i was 20. Still easier to dock a 48 Viking SF from the bridge(w/o bow thrust) w/ a birds eye view.
A staggard boat will have less control at a dock than a non.Fact.
Don't mean you can't do it easily or can't get used to it.
i was also able to parellel dock a 44 tempest diesel w/ t-torques into tight spaces when i was 20. Still easier to dock a 48 Viking SF from the bridge(w/o bow thrust) w/ a birds eye view.
A staggard boat will have less control at a dock than a non.Fact.
Don't mean you can't do it easily or can't get used to it.
#20
PS- The 39 Gun is one of my favorite boats and is probably the only other V-hull I would own. I was close to buying one until Uncle Pat & Jay took me and my dad out in 5-6 footer on my demo ride at 50-60mph. Sydwayz an my Dad chuckbeecher were also a little persuasive.
Last edited by crb76; 10-04-2007 at 03:29 PM.



