I shouldn't have to pay $3900 to fix some phucked up carbon fiber cockpit. So it's time to move on to bigger and better things. :grinser010:

I meant bigger and faster things :D

I love them..but I love them all, some more than others:D

Hope you don't have blow boats hitting your hull again. :eek:

How does carbon fiber get phucked up?

Ut-OH This is not good. I don't like the sound of this.:(

No it doesn't. I left him a voice mail this morning after reading this and have not heard back from him. :(

I think he is referring to the vinyl. Exactly why I chose regular vinyl for my cockpit. I did go with carbon fiber accents on the sides of the head rests, which turned out great. But regular vinyl is SO much easier to keep clean.

Mark's carbon fiber vinyl faded and ran. Pat has been working with the vinyl manufacturer, but they are not standing behind their product.

Like this :angry-smiley-044:

I just got the message. Silver carbon fiber is JUNK. None of the other colors fade only the silver. I'm replacing it at MY expense with regular vinyl. The upholstry guy is doing it for half price but thats no deal. Nobody takes better care of there boat than I do and I got rained on one time and thats what happened. Be glad you went with vinyl.

Mark, did this happen over the winter? Did you hang Damp Rid bags in your boat? (Knowing you, I'm sure you did.) Before I put my winter cover on, I hung one over the Vbunk and one on the cabin door left open. They worked beautifully. When I went down a couple weekends ago to check on things they were both near full of water. And the cabin and cockpit was bone dry and had that Damp Rid clean smell.

That just plain sucks Mark.

I was very skeptical myself on the carbon fiber stuff when I was building.

Glad I also went with vinyl.

When I put the boat on the trailer at the end of the season it rained when I got home from the ramp. I had to cover the boat when it was wet and I got under the cover and dryed everything off. The next morning I took the cover off and it had faded.

It looks alot worse than the pics show.

Oh my! And they are not standing behind their product? Fockers!!

I'll bring some Krylon with me to the James run and fix'r right up for ya. :D

Is this a hint of your next 102 mph boat?

Damn, The manufacturer of the vinyl is not standing behind thier product? Damn Phuckin' Shame!!:angry-smiley-038:

Your very observant :D answer your phone :party-smiley-004:

Clarks has faded also.

His fading problem is probably due to him climbing in and out of his boat so much to change props. :evilb::D

So has mine.....and its only 9 years old:party-smiley-004:

He's not kidding, it does look bad. When I saw it on the Thunder Run I was shocked and everyone who knows Mark knows how he takes care of his boat. I can't believe they wont stand behind this crap. I would love to know how many boats are running around with that very material and how many have faded. One last thought and I know this one wont be recieved well by Pat but I would think A.T. could take care of it and then shove it down the manufacturers throat until they pony up. I know it's 4 grand but it might be money well spent on making the best of a bad situation. :party-smiley-004:

Sorry! Somehow it got turned to silent...:D

I agree with Mike. We would hate to loose another AT member. :(

From the tone of his recent posts, I believe he's already gone to the dark side. :sport009:

It sounds that way:(

This just plain sucks..... Mark you seem to be taking it alot better than I would. So I asume the new one will be called HAMMER STICKS. Good Luck man the boat is still beautiful:(

Some how I just can't blame him. :(

I can't beleive they won't stand behind their product.

Cant AT can convince them if they still want them to use any of their products in their future builds?

This thread is about 39s so at least were on the right topic. :evilb:

What is that supposed to mean?

Nothing anymore than what I said, I will delet it if it bothers anyone.

This has been going on since late October and I never did get a satisfactory answer to the problem so it turned out exactly like I expected. :angry-smiley-044:

It doesnt bother me :D

There in lies the problem the whole boating industry, that you expect it to go this way and end up just taking it with no choice.Its sad to say but true. They all need to learn to step up and make things right after all the money these things cost. It would be defferent if it was a 5 to 10 yr old boat that sat outside. I don't meen any disrespect to Pat I am sure he did all he felt he could. By the way is it just the gunnels or are the seats and sun pad bad also?

The seats are the worst. The pics. dont really show how bad it is. I was told Nor-Tech replaced it free of charge in all of there boats that had a problem.

Went away for the weekend so I have not been following this.

First off, Mark I haven’t talked to you about this since I saw you after the FPC run. I have been working with Miami Prestige actively looking for a resolution. I am a little confused why you posted this when you don’t give me the courtesy of a phone call first. I guess it’s really my bad for not staying in touch with what we had going on.

I will copy and paste a few of the correspondence that that they forwarded to Diane. For the record I don’t think it Miami Prestige’s responsibility to warranty this material, it's the manufacturer of the material.

I would love to think that our vinyl purchases were large enough to grab their attention. We are small potatoes though, I’m afraid.


Kathy,

The Silver Carbono tests we have done so far show damage to the vinyl either by a harsh cleaner or a stiff bristle brush. When it is put under a strong microscope you can see on the top and side areas the vinyl is worn down but on the bottom where it would not have been cleaned the fibers are in tack ,the thickness of the cleaned areas are less then on the bottom unclean area, suggesting scrubbing to hard we are still running test so I don’t have an answer yet , for now it looks like it is not a vinyl failure , Sorry I will get back with the rest of the test
Hope the Baby is doing fine

Darlene Welchance
Global Product Solutions
Customer Service

Our response:

Darlene,

As far as the Carbono is concerned, I feel fairly confident that we can rule out the use of a harsh cleaner. The customer is meticulous and very knowledgeable about vinyl care. To clean, he only wipes the upholstery with a damp cloth, and then applies 303 Protectant. Also, the boat is always covered and stored indoors when not in use.

With respect to the scrubbing, the long sides of the piece we sent to you are not exposed (see attached picture; the piece missing is the one I sent you), and therefore impossible to scrub. Only the front (the face that I labeled) and top are exposed. The curious thing is that I only noticed significant fading on the front, but not on the top. I would presume that any serious cleaning would have been done more so on the top which is the primary seating surface.

I just want to make sure that Corporate has a full understanding of the above as they continue their assessment.

Please let me know if you have any questions, or require further information.

Thanks,
Rich de la Rosa

Mark, you are clueless here, so what are the posts about? If you don't mean any disrespect then don't comment to make me look poorly.