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customryder 04-02-2008 07:37 PM

Pat build a 39 & they will come
 
Pat build a 39 & they will come.......
always liked the 37 but it just feels a little small.

still would not rule one out though..

customryder 04-02-2008 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE (Post 2510823)
He's building a 43.... haven't been around here in awhile I guess...

that what I heard.. still a need for a 39 ... 43 is big on lakes,

sunsation went from a 32 to 43 seems like a big step..

IM sure Pat has gave this thought & will chime in..

mikebrls 04-02-2008 08:26 PM

im sure if you put a big deposit down he will custom build you one :)

Jassman 04-03-2008 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by customryder (Post 2510838)
that what I heard.. still a need for a 39 ... 43 is big on lakes,

sunsation went from a 32 to 43 seems like a big step..

IM sure Pat has gave this thought & will chime in..


Just add a swim platform to the 37...there's you're 39:D..just like Cig and OL..Nortech's 39 is 40'.6"

excursion 04-03-2008 07:24 AM

There is nothing SMALL about a 37 AT !! I dont see the need to make a 39' there would not be enough difference between the two. And the 43' AT should fill the void perfect.

cosmic12 04-03-2008 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by customryder (Post 2510805)
Pat build a 39 & they will come.......
always liked the 37 but it just feels a little small.

still would not rule one out though..

To small? Thats the first time I have ever heard that one.:p Like Jass said add the S- deck and you got it.

TSPM 04-03-2008 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by customryder (Post 2510805)
always liked the 37 but it just feels a little small.

:eek::eek::eek: I think not ..... the 37 is massive :cool-smiley-011:

Sydwayz 04-03-2008 11:20 AM

We are always open to a good conversation. Let's continue. No BS.

Sydwayz 04-03-2008 12:28 PM

I'll use one of my two favorite answers:

"It depends." (The other is "Its on the roadmap.")

:D



Truthfully, there are so many variables. Additional running surface and/or weight always has the potential to lop off a few ticks. However, there are many other things that can be tweaked to alleviate said factors.

Stormrider 04-03-2008 01:46 PM

i think if you're in the stabbin cabbin, and her head keeps banging the forward bulkhead, then the extra 2ft could make a difference.

itilldo 04-03-2008 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Stormrider (Post 2511783)
i think if you're in the stabbin cabbin, and her head keeps banging the forward bulkhead, then the extra 2ft could make a difference.

exactly:D

ActiveThunder 04-03-2008 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Stormrider (Post 2511783)
i think if you're in the stabbin cabbin, and her head keeps banging the forward bulkhead, then the extra 2ft could make a difference.


So let me get this straight. You want me to spend a couple hundred grand in tooling because you date tall women??

boatfreak 04-03-2008 03:45 PM

ok will somebody please tell me I'm not losing my mind? I looked earlier and this thread was gone. I posted a new thread asking about its fate and now it's back and mine is gone.:confused:

cosmic12 04-03-2008 03:45 PM

Just build it without the liner and move the bulk head back:p HA! Did I say BULK HEAD? sorry :D

Stormrider 04-03-2008 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by ActiveThunder (Post 2511902)
So let me get this straight. You want me to spend a couple hundred grand in tooling because you date tall women??

Hey, compare it to $5500/hr that Spitzer was paying, and it doesn't sound so expensive. :cool-smiley-027:

ActiveThunder 04-03-2008 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by cosmic12 (Post 2511945)
Just build it without the liner and move the bulk head back:p HA! Did I say BULK HEAD? sorry :D


Back? Try again, Ace. :evilb:

TSPM 04-03-2008 04:19 PM

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Get a semi for you and giant girl ....... I see she was at the mall this week :evilb:

crb76 04-03-2008 04:31 PM

From an owners perspective there is nothing wrong with the size of the 37. It is a big, heavy, rough water boat. I would compare it to the 38-39 Cig. The 39 Nortech is a much bigger boat. I saw it side by side in Islamorada.

From a business owners perspective. I would consider discontinuing the 37 and building a 39-40 footer, assuming the cost benefit analysis made sense. The market has changed quite a bit from the introduction of the 37 in the late 90’s. At that time a 37 was considered a big boat. Today it is considered a smaller boat based on the percentage sold compared to the total percentage of high performance boats. To support that, talk to someone who is lending money on high performance boats they will tell you that the sub 38 market (sub 300K) is soft and is a small percent of the total sold. The 38-40 market is good and the largest percent of total sold, and the 41+ market is strong and the second largest percent of total. The bottom line is that given the current market dynamics, the competition, and what people want, Pat would probably sell more 39's a year than he would sell 37 because the demand for that size is 3X that of a boat technically smaller. I don’t know if the investment in new tooling and molds will be worth it, especially since he is investing in the 43 right now.

cosmic12 04-03-2008 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by ActiveThunder (Post 2511982)
Back? Try again, Ace. :evilb:

I stand corrected. I was refering to the the next one at the start of the berth, move that one back and shorten up the seats. Longer bed :ie no problem with tall ones. Ace:D

Sydwayz 04-03-2008 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by boatfreak (Post 2511943)
ok will somebody please tell me I'm not losing my mind? I looked earlier and this thread was gone. I posted a new thread asking about its fate and now it's back and mine is gone.:confused:

Its just you. :cool-smiley-027: Put down the ditch-weed bong.





:party-smiley-004:

(I a-y-usted a few things.)

Magic Medicine 04-03-2008 06:40 PM

37 AT is plenty big to me. Just add a swim deck and wala 39'er

mikebrls 04-03-2008 08:22 PM

just put a damm in the mold of the 43 and make a 39 . that's how most builder's start , from what i hear . you will just have to move the step to a difrent position with a removelable insert and then when you increase sales you can invest in a new mold .
" sound's easy " :)
mike

24skaterVA 04-03-2008 08:29 PM

A 39' would be a great because it would give you the room needed to stagger the motors :evilb: :party-smiley-004:

ACTIVESHACK 04-03-2008 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by 24skaterVA (Post 2512298)
A 39' would be a great because it would give you the room needed to stagger the motors :evilb: :party-smiley-004:

Very good point :eureka:

slboatdrinks 04-03-2008 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by ACTIVESHACK (Post 2512303)
Very good point :eureka:

I'm gonna bet that even the 43 will not be a staggered boat with the AVH (DDC) hull design.

cosmic12 04-03-2008 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by 24skaterVA (Post 2512298)
A 39' would be a great because it would give you the room needed to stagger the motors :evilb: :party-smiley-004:

OH now ya did it,:food-smiley-007::food-smiley-007:

ACTIVESHACK 04-03-2008 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by slboatdrinks (Post 2512310)
I'm gonna bet that even the 43 will not be a staggered boat with the AVH (DDC) hull design.

I'll bet your right :D

cosmic12 04-03-2008 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by ACTIVESHACK (Post 2512327)
I'll bet your right :D

Still wait'n for the HAMMER STICKS:D

ACTIVESHACK 04-03-2008 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by cosmic12 (Post 2512328)
Still wait'n for the HAMMER STICKS:D

I'm going to hold up on that for the time being :grinser010:

cosmic12 04-03-2008 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by ACTIVESHACK (Post 2512335)
I'm going to hold up on that for the time being :grinser010:

Ya it will go better with the STAGGERED 1075 43 :boat::crazy:

24skaterVA 04-03-2008 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by cosmic12 (Post 2512326)
OH now ya did it,:food-smiley-007::food-smiley-007:

Well if your gonna dream, dream big.. A 39 AT w/ staggered 700s & an epoxy layup please :cool-smiley-011::hitfan:

R Addiction 04-03-2008 09:30 PM

I want a staggered small block 28....:p

rssteiny 04-04-2008 06:33 AM

Damn if the 37 is considered small my 32 must be a row boat now days. i gues that all depends on where you boat in my area my 32 is a big boat, i say if it works well leave it alone and the 37 is all that. build the 43 and now you have choice.

THUNDER-STRUCK 04-04-2008 08:09 AM

I say you make a bolt on swim platform standard and rename the 37 as a 39.

As far as feeling small the cabin is huge, the freeboard is huge, I dont get feeling small??

Jassman 04-04-2008 08:41 AM

ok dam the 43 off to a 39'9" for marketing..Then you have a 37 with 5'1" headroom, a 40' with 6'2" headroom and a 43 which should be renamed the 44 or 45' with 6'2" headroom. :party-smiley-004::D




and when is my boat gonna be done

excursion 04-04-2008 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by cosmic12 (Post 2511998)
I stand corrected. I was refering to the the next one at the start of the berth, move that one back and shorten up the seats. Longer bed :ie no problem with tall ones. Ace:D

You have never been in Hyperactive then, build a boat without the liner and you will have a 8' v-berth and wider also. Plenty of room to do whatever?????

cosmic12 04-04-2008 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by excursion (Post 2512733)
You have never been in Hyperactive then, build a boat without the liner and you will have a 8' v-berth and wider also. Plenty of room to do whatever?????

No I never had the pleasure of seeing Hyperactive. But as you say, that was kinda my point. But our smat ass leader had to get all technical on me. ( not that I would expect anything different :p):D

crb76 04-04-2008 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by rssteiny (Post 2512547)
Damn if the 37 is considered small my 32 must be a row boat now days. i gues that all depends on where you boat in my area my 32 is a big boat, i say if it works well leave it alone and the 37 is all that. build the 43 and now you have choice.

The information I have seen is for new purchase 2007. The experts say that boat cost, fuel, insurance and an uncertain economy is all but killed the middle class buyer. Middle class buyers support the sub 38 market and the used market. Both markets are in the sh*ter.

The those who are in the upper income or high netwoth class dont care about boat cost, fuel cost, insurance, or resale. The are recession proof. That is the mainstream now and they are buying bigger boats than ever before.

cosmic12 04-04-2008 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by crb76 (Post 2512775)
The information I have seen is for new purchase 2007. The experts say that boat cost, fuel, insurance and an uncertain economy is all but killed the middle class buyer. Middle class buyers support the sub 38 market and the used market. Both markets are in the sh*ter.

The those who are in the upper income or high netwoth class dont care about boat cost, fuel cost, insurance, or resale. The are recession proof. That is the mainstream now and they are buying bigger boats than ever before.

Ain't that the truth, There is no or very little middle class left.... You eather have it or you don't. I don't want to be all doom and gloom but that is what I am seeing in my travels all over the country.:(

ActiveThunder 04-04-2008 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by crb76 (Post 2512775)
The information I have seen is for new purchase 2007. The experts say that boat cost, fuel, insurance and an uncertain economy is all but killed the middle class buyer. Middle class buyers support the sub 38 market and the used market. Both markets are in the sh*ter.

The those who are in the upper income or high netwoth class dont care about boat cost, fuel cost, insurance, or resale. The are recession proof. That is the mainstream now and they are buying bigger boats than ever before.

I think you are using that as a generalization across the board, not directly hi-performance.

Our customers, you included, look for performance AND value. I have to admit my 28 client is non-existant but the 33 and 37 customers are still here. I would have to think that if it is stated 'middle class buyer' and 'sub 38 size boats' it would be relative to the 'cruiser crowd' where you can get a new boat for under $150-200k.


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