Demo Run
 

Hey guys, I have been looking at buying a new 37 from Pat. They are beautiful boats. I have always been a cigarette guy and i currently own one. But after reading all of ATs threads i feel like this is the biggest bang for the buck. I am flying to the factory next week and would like some insight on Pats Incredible Demo ride. LOL I am wondering if i need to prepare my wife for a heart attack...LOL

If everything goes well yall may have another member for the miami boat show run.

Opinions: 525 or 600

I've only heard about the demo runs and love the boat...there have been 6 37's owned near me the last couple years and have run with all of them at times. Stay with the 525's......for that hull it's the best bang for the buck!!!!

Are you the fellow that I met several weeks ago at Kenny's house during the Ms ??Whatever swimsuit competition, new boat and BBQ event?

Hope for some east wind and an outgoing tide at Hillsboro Inlet and you'll see what it's all about :eek:
My recomendation is to go with the 525s.

Hey Jeff: Welcome.

Pat and I have been chatting daily about your visit & rescheduled visit.

You will have fun in FL. Pat's not going to scare your wife. He knows what he is doing and he can you tell you exactly how the boat is going to react 1 mile before you get there. I'll admit he raised MY eyebrows laying the sticks down, turning the wheel, and launching off of a 4-5 foot trawler wake in Key West a couple years ago. Coupled with the fact that he crossed his arms at the same time. Regardless, the boat just landed and carved a beautiful turn.

Enjoy; and let me know what I can do to help.

Can i go again ? Hope the waves are rolling in for you, enjoy. 525 boat and upgrade later at refresh time if you need more speed.

525's are your best bet in my opinion.

Yes Sir, That was me. Kenny always has a great partys. There is going to be a pokerrun to his house next weekend also.

525s or 700s. 600s are old school....

go with the 525s with 28 pitch 5 blades, unless you have money to waste. You will never get the extra money back out of the boat. My boat ran 88mph stock before i put the whipples on it, Should have left it that way....

Hey ActiveMike

Why do you say Sould have left it that way?

Are the whipples giving you trouble? I'm considering a whipple on my 525. It runs really well now, but more speed is always good. Or should I just leave it as is?

Ray

Exactly! If you want to go blower motors, might as well go with 700's. But how often will you actually be able to run triple digits? Safely??

So what's the differece between the 600 and 700 that makes the 600 a dinosaur?

its been done before without success. Dan and I with ThunderBolt and Radio Active..675's/Bravos... Common rule of thumb is that 525's is about max for those pos bravo's.. plain and simple. Then there have been a few (dockman) in searching for speed threw on a whipple and achieved the speeds they wanted.. 100+ and then blew numerous drives... hell, that's no fun ...I need a better drive, lets throw on another band-aid pos bravo drive like a BMAX... sh*t, they lasted 25 hours. but guess what.. cause of their inefficiency they lost 10mph on top end. There is no happy medium. You either get the 525's/bravo's and be good on the sticks.. or get the 700's with the nxt.. it has a tranny. OR get with Rik from Arneson and go the asd-7 route. same price as the B-Backs and they work. Hustler does it all the time, you guys can too. Have a nice day.

the 525's are dynoing around 530-540 horse. the 600's are very close to the published hp.. not worth the extra coin.. especially when the blower is at 3-4 pounds of boost. The 700's are better as you know and the drive is way better than the bravos. Personally Im liking the 725 Ilmor package with the Indy drive. What I need is a custom motor.. around 825-850hp and some bullit proof ASD-7's.. set me up... would ya..

The jury is still out. I've had zero failures with Bravo XRs in the last 3 years excluding the whipples and 7 failures with NXTs.

At the very least it's a 'hung' jury. (don't touch that, Jeff :eek:)

rumor has it. your good on the sticks:party-smiley-004:

I'll attest to the fact that we haven't had any drive failures with the Stock 525/XR package as well. :evilb:

that's cause you never go over 3500 rpms:grinser010:

A bunch of good points.. The reason for thinking about the 600s is that i have a few freinds that are running 86 or 88 and it would be great if i could leave them behind. If the 600 would push the boat 95 or 96 it might be worth the upgrade..

That was 6 to 8's....:lolhit:

no problems except blew both drives after 55 hours. The whipples on the 525s will last you 300-400 hours as a stock 525 will.

the drives on 600s are XRs don't do it.....

boats 35' on up are seeing 3 to 4mph gain.. it's not worth the coin. The 700 is an awesome package.

First of all the drive issue has nothing to do with HP. The torque on the 600 is too much for the bravo if you get a hammer sticks behind the wheel. It is not the HP.

Plus, why would you want to run 90-92 when you can run 105? If you want to run 90-92, go with the 525's, herrings and a super light cabin configuration. You will get there but you will need to save 1500lbs at a minimum.

100 is the new 80MPH. Remember when 80 was the old 100mph? Got to keep up the Jones'! And yes I mean Stu…Shack knows what I am talking about. 90mph is so 2001!!!!

Jeff is also right. Every single boat I have seen with the 600's gains ~3mph over the 525 package. Now you are talking 90-91mph on a good day. Yes, Gerald’s 600 staggered boat ran 94 but they were much lighter then.

Pat, drives have everything to do with the owner. I know some of the owners of your 700 boats! :0

Jassman was that your 43 that my buddy wayne bought.. If so that is a nice boat, he loves that boat.

H.P. and Torque go hand in hand.
Clarks above mentioned configuration would probably work day in and day out. Also remember "Reggie Cashiola" :evilb:only ran with empty tanks!!!!!!!!!!!:evilb: and he was staggered and not that much faster than Thunder Roys best with 500s boxes and Imco shorties. and Herrings And Roy always had gas.

Didn't Shack have a failure?

Gerald's boat was one of the heaviest 37s ever built. I ran the boat at 95 with fuel here in the ocean. Not much, if any, prop testing was done.

I never saw more than 89 with Roy's with muliple prop swaps, computer changes and testing.

Also you are talking the old Bravo lower case wth the 600s since the Sportmaster did not exist back then. A shortee Sportmaster would be very interesting.

Merc warranties the 600s with the Bravos. You sure can play with pulleys and computers to give you what you want if ou are inclined. Of course only after the factor warranty period.

The 600s and the 700s sans the drives are damn near the same engine with just a little different tweaking. No 'old school' technology in either.

The upgrade cost isn't that much on the 600s and I think it would make for an interesting package.

thanks.. that was the most trouble free boat I've owned..It could have not went to a better guy than Wayne.

89 wasn't bad for the day and that early design
Hasn't there been step size changes since those early ones?
Didn't Mercury not warranty the Bravos with the 6oos back then? We still have a 38 Scarab from those days still running around here and they still have problems with those old drives.
In fact the scarab guy couldn't buy it as a package.

[QUOTE=ActiveThunder;2956700]Gerald's boat was one of the heaviest 37s ever built. I ran the boat at 95 with fuel here in the ocean. Not much, if any, prop testing was done.


That was because it was staggard!!!!!!:party-smiley-004:

When you talk about he heaviest. Was that after they pulled it off the bottom a few years back?

In all seriousness, marginal cost will=marginal benifit here. 3mph for how much?

What is th difference in the super charger that is on the 600 and the whipples that active mike has on his boat. Evidently they are making different horse power. Is it the boost?

I am guessing that mecury has the boost very low. When the warranty is up on the motors can the boost be increased to get the same results as active mike?

Direct answer to your question, yes it is the boost. You can play with pulleys and fueling and pressures all day long on almost ANY of the supercharger systems.




While the 525EFI and the 600SCi can be very close in output on a cool crisp, non-humid October day, the 600SCi IS a superior engine. Virtually, the only difference between the 600SCi and 700SCi (from the flywheel forward) is computer changes, cooling changes & supercharger tweaking.

The 600SCi has torque management which saves the B1XR drive. The 525EFI does not have this torque managment, and the 700SCi does not worry about it as much since it has the NXT drive.

(The torque management programming in the computer only pours on enough torque to get the boat on plane. This keeps you from slamming all the available torque into the gears of the B1XR and ripping them to pieces. When you are up in the RPM band, the engine is unrestricted. The Whipple/aftermarket setups to not have this capability. This is also the same capability that GM used in their trucks with the 496/8.1L gas engine. When they mated the 8.1L with the ZF 6spd. manual and Allison 5spd automatic transmissions in the 2500/3500-HD trucks, the 8.1L was un-restricted in 0mph+ acceleration. When they mated the 8.1L with the M32/4L80E 4spd Auto. transmission in the 2500 Avalanche/2500 Suburban, they managed the torque output (roughly 70%) so as to not rip the transmission or other driveline parts out when accelerating from a dead stop. Once the truck is moving & up shifting, the torque is released.)


Hence, JeffC per your specific wants out of the boat...

My recommendation would be to go with the 600SCi/B1XR package. It is proven to be at least 5-6mph faster than a comparably equipped 525EFI/B1XR in the 37 Active Thunder application.


UNLESS, you want to go with the 725 Ilmor/Indy drive package. Then we are into a whole new ballgame & AT is eager step up the plate.

Jeff, you need to have Pat build you a 43 with ASDs and pair of 1200s from Eddie Young. Maybe even go nuts and see if Pat will go staggered...and put it in a bow thruster. :D

That's my Powerball dream at least...

Pat please PM me the price differance between the 525 and 600s also with the 600 can you do a full pad with out scoops?

Ive driven a asd-6 in a 34 Hustler...back to back against the same bravo boat at LCM. Loved it..It handled just as well, took about 1 second longer to plane but out accelerated the bravo hands down in the mid-range and top end. Really liked it, and can handle loads more power/torque than any of the bravo's. No need for thrusters. Eddie Young motors..you got it, no problem..but I would be happy with his 850's. Don't want to over exceed the ASD-7's hp ratings to stay in the warranty.. Rik said he'd warranty them for at least 5 years.:bsflag: AS to Pat's 43..I'm still waiting to see a rendering:daz:

Just my thoughts to improve 37
 

Dash.. make a real dash with a pad.. I dont like the coffin look.. side intake vents need some updating reshaping?

got some more ideas but dont want to get my nuts cut here.. lol..

anyone add anything?

I may regret this tomorrow.....

The dash, albeit somewhat plain and functional, is readable when you corner at 70+ in a patented, single step-bottom boat.

Now the "pretty" dashes that look good when you're going in a straight line just don't hold up once you make a sharp turn and end upside down.....Livorsi gauges are good but not really waterproof in this envirorement.

Bring your oxygen tank. It has a gauge that works under water, too.

I called you. Call me back tomorrow.

You only need a padded dash if you buy a boat that you expect to throw you into it.