All this drama will definitely poison this boat for a long time to come. Long after the fine points of the debate have faded from memory, all anyone will remember is that there was lots wrong with it, whether there is or not.

The seller has done himself no favors by continuing this debate.

Yes, there was alot of drama about this boat, but this boat is still what it is. The boat does not change just because of what people say.

Sorry, that you look at it that way,
but someone has to say something.

jeeez. its a fckn used boat and like ALL used boats it will have issues. so you buy it for a fair price, spend some money fixing the issues, use it for a few years and sell it to someone else who will also have to fix/repair chit when they break. its all about value. can the issues be fixed without taking a beating is the bottom line. not what someone says on a website. some of the best deals ive witnessed were boats that were "said" to have issues. one that i remember vividly was a cafe racer that was badmouthed on oso over and over again with a wet transom. the boat was bought dirt cheap and guess what. the transom was dry as a bone. this isnt rocket science. every buyer just needs to do his own due diligence.

Welcome to OSO. On here, it does.

I want names John

I disagree. 1) I haven't heard any bad so far and 2) a serious buyer will dismiss all of this as rumors and nothing else. Once you step up and look at the product all the BS fades away. Good luck with the sale John.

Go-fast-pilot. You've looked at the boat, if any one wants your info they will PM you so maybe just let sleeping dogs lie and let the man sell his boat.

Thanks for everything you have said, hopefully everyone who is interested in this boat will take your advice.

I think it only matters to you
I have several people calling to buy the boat, so I dont think it matters what anyone says.


Yes I am trying to do everybody a favor who is interested in buying this boat, but I dont think you know what a favor is.

Thanks for the support.

After someone else looks at this boat I want their opinion.

I dont think anybody is going to give you anything, I'm pretty sure their tired of hearing what you have to say. So again, get a life.


Move On.

I wasn't talking to you John, you need to learn when people are talking to you.

I know you were not talking to me and anyone else because everyone is tired of hearing from you. You need to read what other members of O.S.O are saying


I dont think anybody wants any information from you.
If they do they will contact you

(but i am talking to you)

Its not your place to say anything John

Yes it is my place to say whatever i need to say because of people like you that does not have anything else to do

If you need help finding a job let me know i will be glad to help you find one

It is not your place to say anything :greenchainsaw:

I have a job John, and if you want to know the truth I actually have 2. And if you can say anything you want John then I have the same right. If you have so many people calling about the boat shouldn't you be busy filling them full of BS?

That is good that you have two jobs maybe you should get three jobs. yes you have the right to say what you want to say
but we all know who is full of BS?(QUOTE)
so quit worring bout my boat

QUIT HATING

Im glad you finally admitted it John. Im not "hating" on the boat. I'm hating on the seller!

Yes I have to tell you again, since you don't listen, yes you are a hater. So its too bad you dont use your time in a positive way.


You need to get some help for yourself.

You are a sad and miserable person.

One minute you are hating on my boat, then the next minute your hating on me.

Make up your mind.

Where do you come up with this BS. Your the problem not the boat.

I come up with the BS from you. You are the biggest BS that I know of. You ought to read some of the ( BS ) you posted on OSO. No you are the problem, not me or my boat.

Hey all you guys that have been around a while (Chris) Is this anything like the famed Apache threads of old?? Just nonsence going on and on and on and on

biggest difference I see is that it is really only 2 people that can't seem to realize how bad this all reads!

Not even close. The old Apache threads were full of really knowledgeable people debating about the history and stories of the brand and the colorful personalities it attracted. That and the "better than xxxxxx brand", the "this would be faster but that would handle the big water..." and stuff like that. it oftened deteriorated into soap opera stuff but still interesting. Especially on those long, cold February nights.

This one is two schoolkids shouting unimaginative insults across their backyard fence. But... it's what we got.

Some of the best threads were back when some clown sold a guy an Apache trade name he didn't own and the guy who bought it spent a ton of his family's money hiring guys to spend it for him attempting to build an Apache that wasn't really anything like an Apache and had none of the original Apache people associated with the project then he ran from the police in his Lamborghini and then had to buy the car back from the police when they seized it and shortly thereafter he disappeared and all the money he spent and all the work he did evaporated and the guy who beat him in court for him wanting to make Apaches still doesn't make them even though he owns the name.

And stuff like that. A guy couldn't make $hit like this up.

And then there's "trow da' string"

thanks Chris, I figured as much as I have looked back at some of the good ones, I do love that old banter. This is like you say childish.

Interesting post from a newbie. Welcome to OSO...........I think.

Lets get back on track with the 28 Apache. I've got a 1990 was it built by B. Saccenti? Was it built when the feds owned the company? I have a brochure that says available in carbon fiber or kevlar. Where there any made with carbon fiber or kevlar or both like some 41's were? Does anybody have the true story to the history of the hull design? From what I can tell they started building them in 1987 through 1991 and a hand full were built from 1992-2005. O great ones, some history on the 28 apache would be greatly appreciated.

weren't the later ones built under a different name? And there were some 36s also from the same builder.

I think Eric Frodberg built one. The 28 apache custom with all the western graphics listed at $129K :eek:

Thats the truth!

I do believe that would be a Froberg boat.

Were all the post 1992 28 apaches Froberg boats? I think there were about 5-8 built post 1992. Did McManus ever build one?

the 93 i owned was built by Bobby. Eric and Bobby didnt form a partnership until the late 90's.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=61264

I think you are the ****y. We are not talking about a deal, I dont think you know what your talking about. You might want to ask somebody whats going on. And if you want suck something Im sure someone will give it to you,

I just spoke to Bob Saccenti and if your boat hull number starts with APH, its was built by him.

( MY BOAT WAS NOT BUILT BY THE FEDS.)

MY BOAT WAS BUILT BY BOB SACCENTI, I GAVE HIM THE SERIAL NUMBER AND HE SAID HE IS THE ONE WHO BUILT THE BOAT. SO IF ANYONE WONDERING WHO BUILT MY BOAT, BEFORE RUMORS GET STARTED, YOU CAN CONTACT BOB.

In case you hadn't noticed, we've moved past you and your boat. Consider this thread officially hijacked. It's yours no longer.
:)

For the record, it doesn't matter when your boat was built- an Apache is an Apache. Also, the Feds didn't build boats. The people who built them before, built them after. The only guy to build an Apache that wasn't an Apache was Thad Allen.

Just when ya thought it was over.////// So who built the 28 &36 commanchies?

I dont know where you got your information, but it does matter when my boat was built. The Feds ran Apache in Miami, Fl for 6 years. The hull numbers are different from when Bob Seccenti built them.

it never over

Uh huh. Bob Seccenti, right?

Tell us all more about the Feds building these boats. Did they have US Marshal's doing the layups and rigging?

You picked the wrong forum for this nonsense. Quit while you're ahead.

you gotta be kidding, and I was thinking that maybe you were the sain one of the 2:Whatever: