Or how much it cost to fix, restore or own one:ernaehrung004: That would make a great thread, at least I think so:eek:

When spending other people's money?


When spending your own money?

:D :D:drink:

We love our diesel. Pulls well.

Relax. Here's what I was getting at:
I have noticed on threads, including the one about my boat, that you are quite free with advice on what is the "right way to do it" and how much it would cost.

I could go pull your quotes, but I think that you and others know what I mean. I am sure that it isn't necessary.

You were quite liberal with your opinion that it would cost $30,000 to repower my boat. I refer to that as "spending other people's money." I said it about my friend Chris, too. He "spent my money" all the way home from MD.
I wasn't starting a fight with him either.

You said "anything worth doing is worth doing right."

I thought that it was ironic that when it came time to talk about towing that you would mention that you tow a 9,000 pound package with a half ton truck. Coming from the advocate of "doing things right."
Your opinion regarding the capabilities of your truck may well be better informed than the manufacturer. But if you have a problem... the legal system will probably go with GMs opinion regarding the capacity.

I didn't expect you to get upset about it. But I was in my 20s once, so I understand. Although usually 2 smilies and a drink smilie is a way to tip someone off that you are not attacking them.

Best of luck with your boat.

Oh wait... I forgot.

:D :D :drink:

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Being a bit*h when needed has its advantages! :party-smiley-004: :eek::p

Brakes were operating and legal. They just didn't fit my personal comfort level. When you go with me, you always get home, on time and unscathed.

(did I spell unscathed properly?)
;)

Boys, boys, boys......stop.....this is starting to turn into an Apache vs Fountain (or anything else for that manner)-type thread! :eek::party-smiley-004:

This is the most exciting thread on OSO right now!!!! :food-smiley-007:

Really? We will see in a minute.

Andy... all this because you can't take a good natured jab?

Guys like Chris don't chit their pants and they don't ask for much. I am glad to call a frigging legend like Chris a friend.
Imagine... most guys have to pay to have their boat hauled... I was lucky to have Sunkin do it. Besides, he is a grown man. You act as if he lives at home with his parents or something. He has been doing this longer than you have been peeing standing up.

Now let's look at your posts.
You care. You really care.


I will end up spending what? I thought you meant you.

Who buys engines from websites? You haven't repowered other boats before over the last 20-30 years? You paid more than 30k? Ouch.

This was a great mix of guessing and expertise.

Now....

If you would like to try again Andy... I am open. No sense in 2 brave owners being in conflict. You over-reacted to a fairly light jab... which you earned. Not a big deal at all. Not something that we couldn't have gotten past. You didn't get what I meant by "spending other people's money" and you got defensive.

We can still get past it. But not if you don't lower your testosterone level a bit and accept that you are a fire-pizzer.
I know guys who act like that.... but they do steroids.

It is up to you. I am reaching out with my hand. You either accept it or you don't. You simply are not on my radar as someone I need to be fighting with.

I guess this means we won't be taking long, hot showers into the wee hours of the morning, huh?

LOL, yah let me "take your hand" Blaaaahahhahahahaah!!!!!!, what is this a gay parade. Suppose I better so I don't hit your keyboard "radar" LOL. Sounds like you and chris will be great together.

That's cool Andy.

Whatever. I heard that you were a 23 year old or so, complete tool. Living with your freaking parents or something.

Tool.

:food-smiley-007:As the propellers turn.

Nope, 27. I live on my own with my wife and pay for my own toys. Except for the sea ray, which is a family boat. So your making fun of me for being 27, LOL. This 27 year old has just as nice of boat as you do :evilb: Keep set'em up fudge packer:eek:

If you didn't like my post about fixing the engines then you could of just disagreed.......no reason to make it personal.

Fund.... can we start a new thread about YOUR boat?
I have to keep scanning this one looking for a good post.
I want to see this boat finished and being enjoyed.
For this kind of banter, i could walk into the other room where the wife and kids are. ;)

FYI, my buddy bought an old magnum maltese cheap. Put another 30k plus into it... cosmetics 1st, and tried getting the engines fixed a few times over second, w/ no success... never ran. He ended up selling it for 10k. New owner went thru the drives himself... maybe $500 in parts, and the boat is running perfectly.

I think if you can get her running well for under $5000... WMF will be buggin out!

27 IS "23 or so" cheezwhiz. :D

And I am not making fun of you for it, I am making fun of you because of it... as it is your youth that has allowed you to get your young lil hackles up needlessly.

You keep having fuzzy memories... this became personal when you couldn't take a joke. (Happened to me when I was in my 20s too, you may grow out of it.)

Let me guess... I need to pull quotes again?

No need for WMF to bug out, we made a deal. I believe it was good for both.

I bought the boat knowing what it would take in a variety of scenarios. I appreciate internet experts like lil Andy, who flap their mouths so much that sometimes people listen, and I benefit.
While I would never criticize Bill for the choice he made.... (besides, I like him... don't feel like criticizing him. He has been cool to me, and me to him) I can perhaps give partial credit to the internet experts like Andy for "helping" him.

What Andy hasn't learned yet is that anybody can buy anything, but knowledge and experience, as well as a network of actual experts takes time.

And he hasn't learned that sometimes the smartest thing is to just FAKE being a decent guy and having a some sort of a sense of humor. Nope... got defensive and never stopped.

It just occurred to me that he didn't contest the "tool" part.... So we may have no argument on that point.

Tick, tick, tick.

Tex always seems to find himself on the opposite side of any discussion he's involved in. He's Jayboat minus the idealism.

if you guys spent the time and energy you are wasting here jabbin each other on your boat projects, we might have some new pics to look at. Geeesh :evilb:

A new pic for you. Since the thread was about this particular vessel.

Picking up the 28.

Picking on people over the internet is confusing...

on a good note, fund, Love that boat, good luck with it!!! keep everyone updated on the build

Thanks very much. I like it a lot. It is amazing in person. Traffic stopper. Bill and his guys did an outstanding job on the gel, paint, and cockpit. I tend to believe the legend of the low hours on the hull, based on overall condition. I am grateful to Bill for what he put into this boat cosmetically. No cracks, no blems, no dents, no scratches. It looked like we left the factory with it. I love the updates to the existing graphics package.
I look forward to the repower and especially the re-rig, which I intend to do myself.
First thing that will happen is a tear down of the two engines. I need to know what happened and why. Chances are highly unlikely that I will rebuild these.

Thanks again.

Fund, Stop argueing with that (insert whatever) and get it ready for next year. Great boat, I have been watching it from the first e-bay sale and hope to see it finished as it should be with you. Good luck and keep us posted:ernaehrung004:

Thanks. It will be a fun process. I have gotten into these repowers before when they were unexpected. That's no fun. At all. It is painful. This will be enjoyable.

At first I wasn't sure about the paint scheme. But as soon as I saw it in person I knew that I wouldn't change it.

VERY GOOD POINT!:drink:

Andy, I do PWC's and Jet boat, I dont like to work on my own boat!!!!!. or keep spending money on something I dont think was right for me or my wallet!!! I think you are a good guy and you helped me find my money pit!! I do not believe my old Apache is any way as rough as your is, my boat was perfect except for the motors!!!, I have almost 26,000 in recipts to prove it!. I think all this back and forth is childish. I liked my Apache until the motors went up, I looked at the cost or repowering and what I had put into the boat and the numbers did not work.

Hey Stormrider what is your problem with me or what I have done with my boat!!!! you have been very vocal about me and my boat, I really dont understand? I dont know you or you know me, so why the attitude??? And Trust me 5,000 does not bug me out, that is a low #, 30,000 get me thinking, you should know who you are talking to before you shout out money #'s!!!!

Andy I am in no way nocking your boat, I have invested alot more into my old Apache then you have, I just think you and John should work things out and also with Chris, I dont think the arguing helps anyone, we are all into performance boat, wich are getting harder to own and maintail!!!!!

Ya know what Bill?

You and I made the deal. You and I have actually owned this boat. You and I are fine with things. I feel that our deal went well. No funny business... you even brought the boat closer to us. My check cleared. The boat was as expected.
There is no reason for either one of us to be bothered by Andy. You and I dealt with each other like grown ups. How often do people hear THAT on OSO?

I understand your situation and what you do for a living vs. what you like to do for a hobby. I don't think that you have anything to defend yourself against.
Nor do I.

Thanks again for what I feel was a fair and no BS deal. And for the time and energy that you invested in the boat before you decided that you would prefer to go a different direction with your time, talent and resources.

Nice project Razer, We do spend a lot of money on our projects. We will never see a return on our investment. We do it for the thrill of the sport. I for one went way over on spending on my project but didn't hock the house to do it. Time patience and money, not nessiserially in that order. If you want to take a gander at my parts list here is the link. http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...11#post2689711 We all have a limit, and do what we can to keep enjoying the sport. Sometimes duck tape and bailing wire to get us by. If I could afford a new 400K boat I would still be fixing my old Velocity. Keep up the hard work on your restoration projects, thanks for keeping these older boats on the water and thanks for all the help we get here on OSO. I'll be taking mine to the grave, it's going to make one hell of a casket. Keep on keeping on. VV

Bill, i have no problem with you at all.
I feel for you, that you made a kind of rookie mistake taking care of the cosmetics before the mechanicals. Wasn't the boat usable when you bought it? Did you use it before you started tearing it down? IMO, buy it and use it and enjoy it for at least one season... all the bugs will come out, and take care of them. Now in funds case, he knows where he stands with this boat, there should not be many big surprises after he gets power for it and goes through the rest of the drivetrain and rigging.

I actually have not been very vocal, i've had 10 posts in each of your 2 threads, and most of them have been very constructive. I don't see much attitude in many of my posts either. The only issue was your "do i sell or keep it" post. I tried being supportive on both sides of the issue, and i called it like i saw it, which is just what you were looking/asking for.
That was a very personal question you asked and really could only be answered by you. I've been there, done that, and have an idea of what it would cost to get'er done. You are the one who asked how to spend your money in that thread, how else am i to answer it?

I wish fund the best and look forward to him enjoying this boat.

I also wish you the best in finding your next boat and having it be a better experience than this one was.

I think you've found some good guys on this site now to help you with your next purchase, and will give you good advice.

Rob

Thanks Rob, I will be making more informed decisions on the next boat I purchase, I always owned newer boat that were turn key!! I bought the apache because I thought I wanted a project, but it became more than I expected it to be!!! I loved the boat but in the end it just was not for me!! John got a great boat that will just need motors now!! Thanks again Rob for clearing that up. Hey Andy I think once you and John get your apache's done you will probally have the two nicest ones out there!!! I have not seen very many clean 28 Apaches around, They all need some kind of work!!!:ernaehrung004:

This account sounded unfamiliar, so I had to go back and see what happened. Come to find out, I came on this thread because I bought the boat in question.
I didn't ask Andy for his advice or opinion. He really wanted to share it, as he is an internet expert. He also shared his expert opinion on "doing things right."
I said nothing to him except: "I plan to get it home and see what I've got."
Later, when he decided to share that he purchased an innapropriate and undersized tow vehicle, I remembered his stance regarding "doing things right." I chuckled, and decided to tease him about it, since after all... he is a tool and tools deserve to be kept honest. :D
So I teased him about it. And he freaked out. It wasn't meant to be an insult. It was what we do around here. Good natured jab. Complete with smilies.
If I wanted to personally insult him I would have told him that he is chubby, dumb, immature and has a serious personality disorder and that because of it, his marriage wouldn't last 3 years.
But all I did was keep him honest in regard to "doing things right" and towing a nearly 5 ton package with a half ton truck.

Maybe he should have kept his poor towing practices to himself. After all, we were talking about towing my boat, not his. He just needs to be in on everything. Even when it isn't about him.

That should about recap it.

He will post in a minute. He just got done editing the last one.