Best Thread on OSO right now!!!!:drink:

I am learning a lot here. If I could put a boat together as well as you guys can over the net, I would go into business.

Quit picking on Andy's power. You don't know anything about it.

I dont know anything about Andy's power in his boat, nor has anything been said about them from me!! I do know about restoring a old boat, it is alot of hard work, and you have to be dedicated, I was not!! It is a passion, and it never ends!!

Tell me about it. These guys are working on new boats compared to mine.

Oh looky it's a knob fight...:rolleyes:it's like watching two nerds throw their pocket protectors at each other....:lolhit:


I was going to reference the special Olympics but comparing you two mental midgets to those competitors would be an insult to them.

Rob hates it when people are bigger azzholes than him. He feels that he owns the state of being an azzhole. And, I can understand... what with his considerable skills and investment of time in this area. He is an amazing one.
Sorry Rob. I forgot all about you.
:)

Say, doesn't Andy have a thread about his own boat? Maybe that would be a great place for Andy to talk about his boat.
Maybe that would have been a great place for him to ask Bill about his bet with Bill? He had no bet with me. He is just a prik. It would be like me going over and starting chit on his thread.

Maybe Andy doesn't need to be on a thread about my boat gloating that his is done.

You just have to love the old boats. A new/newer boat was an option. The size, ride, and style worked for me. I committed to making the boat right, for my use... and to save the boat.
That's my choice.

I am right about these tanks, and about the nature of how they decline. I don't think that anybody else contributed anything today other than the guy who won the T shirt. ;)

What kind of an azz comes on a guys restoration thread and makes posts like these anyway????? WTF?

What you need to do John is post pics of the gas tank being removed, and the work you have done!! like you did on Serious. This is a great thread about the restoration of a 28 Apache, and it should stay that way. No one said anything about what you could buy, or have, you love the boat and want it finished that is what matters, its your boat and you can do with it what you want!! I am happy it will be done right, it just was not for me, but I have said that hundreds of times. I am glad you purchased it from me and are taking the time to do it right!!

Didn't you call em truck motors. :kiss:

The more I work on this boat the more I have come to realize that all boat's are POS's and as El Indio would say the only good apache is a sold apache. Makes no sense to try and make these old boats perfect. By the time you do, you'll miss a few summers of boating and 50 hours later you'll be right back in the same "boat".

Nope that was me, I also called them anchors.:drink:

ahh I forgot to put you on ignore over here, thats why I dont post so much over there... I find it funny that the whole time Bill had the boat and it was running, he never had the smell of gas, you take it non running, take out the motors and viola, now there is a gas smell, dollars to donuts the heat made the gas expand and push out the gas lines that you probably dint cap and that would explain the gas in the bilge, good thing you took a sawzall to it there Bob Villa...:rolleyes:

me thinks you cut out a perfectly good gas tank... and you are still a knob, just now so many others than me know it :D

Same chit different day. We want updates, Bill tried to ask nicely. Seems the only way you'll post is if I post something first. So I posted on here with the hopes that you might give some actual updates and pics of your resto......., and to encourage you to get to work; but I see you would rather continue talking chit about me and my boat, which you've never even seen or met. :kiss:

So big boy, do you want to end the thread like this? :drink:

Tex, I have never met you, only read your posts. With a few years of psych education, I can see your not a happy man. You have an Apache, a somewhat rare boat, appreciated and desired by many. While a man's inner well being should not be determined by materialistic possessions, i is an object that should foster your sense of pride, self-satisfaction, self-esteem and wellbeing. Obviously it is causing you unhappiness, it is having a detrimental effect on your psychological well being. Without knowing your upbringing and life history, I can tell you such unhappiness and pent up aggression is not healthy and may be a sign of deeper unresolved issues. It is of my professional health care provider opinion that you might consider something like donating your boat to a worthy charity, thus improving your self-esteem knowing that you have made a worthy contribution towards helping your fellow man and possibly consider a psychological evaluation and perhaps theory. This is nothing to be ashamed of. The brain is a vital organ as much as the heart or liver. If you had a heart problem, you would see a cardiologist without hesitation. If you had nephrological issues, you would undergo renal dialysis if needed. Problems of the brain and thought processes should be viewed no differently. Tex, I mean no ill will nor disrespect by this post. I am only trying to help my fellow man.

This Thread needs to be about the 28 Apache I sold to John, and the resto work he is doing to it!!! Pics would be nice? This is a great thread with alot of info for other Apache owners. Did the gas tank need to be replaced? who knows, but it is done now, to late to cry over spilled milk!! As for Rob( OffshoreDrillin) I cant control what he write's he is his own man and does what he wants!! Andy you are correct I wanted this thread to continue, with pics and info like John has done on Serious, not a fight to brake out!!!!!!

the tank was DEFINITLY leaking.

not saying it was not leaking, it was a old boat with a old tank, glad it was taken care of before it was a real problem!!

:cuqui:

DAMN,,,,i have to pay for this when i go see my doctor:grinser010:

Why does he have to post what he already posted over there, why not go visit, here's the link; Funds Brave Restore Thread

I "choose" not to post my X dimension project here but posted about it on two other sites that I visit more frequently and have more dialogue with friends and colleagues.

X Dimension Project :)

New Project

I was just trying to keep this restoration thread alive, that is all, John can do what he wants!!

From the two photos, it is obviously that the hole is from galvanic corrosion. Also clear that the level of the fuel was at the level of the first hole for a while, and then at the level of the second hole.

You don't actually use a sawzall. An angle grinder is better.

This problem was brewing for years. It was brewing on the trailer down in Miami. Aaron never noticed anything. Bill never noticed anything.

I did. So I took appropriate action.

Ok, now criticize me for taking care of my boat. Or... maybe for posting. Or for not posting. Whatever.

It is one thing to follow these restoration threads and give advice or opinions, but to make statements like Offshoredrillin? wtf?

It's career azzholes like Rob that keep more people from posting their projects. I mean, to have a guy say that it probably wasn't even leaking?

I am starting to wonder if this pant-stained goof can even resist posting when I post.

Nice to have been able to forget about him for a while.

Internet stalkers, what cha gonna do?

Thanks for posting those pics and going into detail about the repair and possible causes. I can read post on SOS, but I can't see the pictures for some reason. I never meant to rub your nose in your problems. Sorry if it came out that way. That was directed at Bill........and as you said my bet wasn't with you. I agree about offshoredrillin and I think the majority of people on SOS and OSO feel the same.

Do you have any pics of the inside of the hull? Where the tank was, with the floor removed, before the removal, after the removal, etc. Any bilge progress pics?

It's ok. I had forgotten about the Bill bet. I posted what I did as an informational thing... I honestly believe that there are plenty of 80's foamed tanks in various stages of decay.
I do not hope that yours is... but assumed that it was built similar and wanted to make you aware of the potential.

I am glad that your boat is going well. I have nothing to gain by wishing problems on you.

I have all those pics. In order to post them here I have to upload them to photobucket. I am at the point that most of the bad wood is out. Tomorrow and over the weekend I will finish the "demo" of the bad wood and start the repair. The tank has been ordered.

Engines are at the machine shop having the pistons fitted. The AFR heads have arrived and were upgraded with Inconels with the valve job done by AFR. The cams were done by Madara and are finished.

My buddy doing the assembly still needs to finish the oil system, there were big changes there.

Should be looking at long blocks before the tank arrives.

Rob( OffshoreDrillin) is a great friend!!! :ernaehrung004:

I have no doubt he is a better person in person, but he doesn't come across that way on the forums..........either do I for that matter:ernaehrung004:

We went with big 18x3 oil coolers, all new lines and fittings. Had to relocate the cooler to the back and made custom brackets to pull that off. If you go that route don't forget it needs to clear the power steering; we did. The long blocks I bought came with Inconel valves as well, but to be honest.............I don't know anything about them or why their so good. Anyone want to clue me in????

Much funner talking about the boats rather than bickering:flag:. If yours is an 1988 and mine is a 1990, then I figure my tank has atleast 2 years left in her:D

No he is just as much of a dick in person, unless he like's you:cool-smiley-027:

They are ALL nicer in person. ;)
Odd, that way. :)

The Inconel valves are a one piece high temp valve. Some people run them on exhausts only. My understanding is that you can stick one of these valves.... but not drop a valve. I think that we are going near the engine mount brackets with the oil coolers.

As far as bickering.... I have no problem with you when you are not being a preck. I wished you congrats on your expected baby and while I did call your boat "crusty butt" I honestly never wish you any bad luck. I even sent you that pm months ago to say "hey... might as well go 502s." :D

I even honestly invited you over to the other place. Not that you need my invite. If you showed up and just eased your way in you would find it a great resource. Everybody who has helped me with my project is over there, that's why I haven't kept this one up. It's not like "take my ball and go home" it's just a practical matter of the same people who come to my house are on that site. Bunch of them. And some friends are here, but they aren't local or involved.

Back on that tank... I am glad that I discovered it because it wasn't THAT obvious. It was a ticking time bomb for years. That was my only motivation in suggesting that others be wary. I wasn't wishing it on anybody... but if you find it... I hope that you find it like me, when the power is out and the bulkhead was stripped for paint.

I pull no punches on line or in person...either way..Im a drunken jackass living on the funnier side of life.. life is only a temporary situation, no need to take it seriously.

I am pretty sure that I am the same person either way too... although in person I think that I am misunderstood less.

You may be on the funnier side of life, but you are no jackazz. A jackazz would have puked on my couch. :)

I like you John, but for some reason Rob does not, I think If you meet him in person, it would not go down the way you think!! He is a great guy, and would do anything for his Friends!!! As for you Andy, I for some reason like you as well, I guess it is because you speak your mind, and piss off some people!!:cool-smiley-027:

There is no reason for you and I not to like each other. We did a deal with no bs between us. We dealt straight with each other. Where do you find that in this day and age?

Rob and I used to be "friendly." We were never friends. He would pm me and tell me who I should like and who I shouldn't like.
We had a disagreement once and he stayed on it like a pit bull. I even sent him a PM when we started the other site to clear the air and put it behind us and he threw it back in my face. The guy straight up underestimates me. He underestimated me over the tank, and he underestimates me when he tries to bully me.
He thinks that he is the only dopey looking, sort of chunky, moderately farm boy, 3XT wearing, 6'6" 250 pound azzhole that is walking the earth?
There is no reason that it would go any other way than it always goes when he and I eventually meet. We will. We know too many people in common. He will chill out. So will I. We will either avoid each other or become friends. He ain't going to jail over me, even if he does still hate me after he meets me. He is just gonna have to live with that hate. Real life is not a school yard. We are grown men.
The rest is internet BS.

The funny thing about resentment is that it's like taking poison and hoping that the other guy dies. ;)

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/n...n/HOWSMART.jpg

ahhh, another knob internet threat, although vaguely disguised as trying to be "real"... its simple, anyone can research my posts and bring it right back to where it started "bilge savior". You need to get over yourself, you are a douchebag and will continue to be one, you think that you are better than everyone on here. (Just from my view).
I have no idea what you are referencing when you say 6'6, I'm only 6'3, and I'm not chunky, nor do I have "piercing" blue eyes:rolleyes: mine are just blue.

As for you in real life, you seem to think your cool? and your friends are the coolest. be careful what you say and think, my phone lit up 4 times from Kelly's from the poker run. you're not as popular as you think, got it. they are laughing at you behind your back, at least I tell you right up front.

And for the lurker here and then wants to talk behind my back on another site, be careful who you talk about, I'm friends with Cleveland boaters too. you should choose your words more carefully ;).

I don't need my friends to defend me, although thank them for doing so. This isn't about an Apache it is about you being nothing, and then arrogant about it, you and Andy can sword fight, touch pee pees all you want. Do you think that you are the only person redoing a boat? Hell I just did more to my tiger this year and have a 20 cigarette that is 2/3d's done. I've posted pics as well, just no where near as obnoxious as you. I have you on ignore on serious and I don't post on your threads. I'm going boating.

More crap from Rob. If you say it enough Rob, you may believe it.

If you want to be the representative of people who call others behind others back so be it. But you make my point for me. The same people who are azzholes on the internet smile to your face in real life. Even if they shrink away to some corner and call their peeps for support.

Go back to not posting on my threads. It works for me. It was not to forget that you are out there.

And for the "lurker here and there" who wants to talk behind Rob's back on another site.... don't let him scare you. He is a bully. There is nothing there, just secret phone calls and pm's about who you should like. Don't take him seriously. Nobody else does.

Anywho.... today the rest of the bad wood (caused by the tank that was leaking for a few years) will come out of the 28.

I need to stay out in front of those engines.

Meet offshoredrillin