Who owns the Apache trademark and name?
04-19-2009 | 11:51 PM
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I disagree with your statement. You call the deck on the new McManus 50 ugly. And to you it may be, so you would not choose that deck design. You feel the need to insult another man's design tastes. Ok, you have accomplished that. I am sure you are fully aware that Mark McManus could build you any design deck that pleases you? Including, the original Apache design.
You want a lighter weight layup (but not to the point of sacrificing strength and safety) in a sit down configuration. I'm assuming with some new stringer and transom composites. Readily accomplished.
Your last comment intrigues me. Are you saying that you have talked to Mark McManus and he did not have a willingness to build you this 41 sit down Apache you desire? He was preoccupied with resting on his laurels?
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I disagree with your statement. You call the deck on the new McManus 50 ugly. And to you it may be, so you would not choose that deck design. You feel the need to insult another man's design tastes. Ok, you have accomplished that. I am sure you are fully aware that Mark McManus could build you any design deck that pleases you? Including, the original Apache design.
You want a lighter weight layup (but not to the point of sacrificing strength and safety) in a sit down configuration. I'm assuming with some new stringer and transom composites. Readily accomplished.
Your last comment intrigues me. Are you saying that you have talked to Mark McManus and he did not have a willingness to build you this 41 sit down Apache you desire? He was preoccupied with resting on his laurels?
Ed
I love Apache threads, they never fail to entertain. I also would have loved to see what Thad Allen would have done with the Apache name; it would have added another topic to debate and argue.
04-20-2009 | 12:26 AM
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Hi Omar
Welcome to the board and I am very aware of all your accomplishments...But lets just agree to disagree until the day comes we can meet on the open Seas.
With that being said I will take a rain check on your offer to run against you until we can have a formidble course maybe to Bimini and back next year???????
Welcome to the board and I am very aware of all your accomplishments...But lets just agree to disagree until the day comes we can meet on the open Seas.
With that being said I will take a rain check on your offer to run against you until we can have a formidble course maybe to Bimini and back next year???????Do not whant to miss that ,,,sean i even drive for ya !!! Or throttle !!!!
Scott
04-20-2009 | 08:00 AM
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He is not the only one who thinks that the new 50 is ugly. Just curious, are you related to Mark in any way or a business partner? I always see you defending him in Apache threads that question the littlest thing he does or does not do. Not a bad thing, just curious about the devotion.
I love Apache threads, they never fail to entertain. I also would have loved to see what Thad Allen would have done with the Apache name; it would have added another topic to debate and argue.
I love Apache threads, they never fail to entertain. I also would have loved to see what Thad Allen would have done with the Apache name; it would have added another topic to debate and argue.
Let me satify your curiosity. I am not related to Mark nor am I a business partner. I appreciate his powerboats.
Apache Powerboats is a small, custom, offshore powerboat company that started with a pedigree second to none. Don Aronow designed 41 rough water hull. Mark McManus built the boats, Bobby Moore rigged them and Keith Eickert powered them. Let's not forget Mercury Racing's part with their speedmaster drives. Ben Kramer, Bob Saccenti, Tom Evans had a racing team that was superior in every way. A real true offshore rough water racing effort. Not like what is seen today where the powerboats will turn around and come back to port if it's "too rough" ....Well, the world spins a few rotations and tosses the dice out of the cup.....what happens? Don Aronow is shot dead, Ben Kramer is imprisoned for life, Bob Saccenti has other powerboat company ventures, and Mark McManus is awarded Apache Powerboats.
Mark refurbishes and upgrades the older Apache Powerboats, he also builds new Apache Powerboats. I know you don't like the looks of the 50' but that's ok, because the man that had it built does. Maybe your tastes are more traditional and inline with Spirit of Apache, go to the video section on the Apache website and check out the custom features. It is way over the top! Mark can tailor the Apache to whatever the customer desires. That is what he does and who he is, a "Master Offshore Powerboat Builder"
Thad Allen was a drug addict, liar and screwball with a lot of money. No offshore powerboat contributions at all. Where is he now? Who cares?
Ed
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04-20-2009 | 10:54 AM
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Guys, any day we have a new Bimini Race and I can make it is your day.For now, I am tesing the new 39 Motion with JT from TNT either next wednesday of Thursday, if you want to run with us, please show up at TNT in the afternoon on both these days.
04-20-2009 | 11:10 AM
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Let me satify your curiosity. I am not related to Mark nor am I a business partner. I appreciate his powerboats.
Apache Powerboats is a small, custom, offshore powerboat company with a pedigree second to none. Don Aronow designed 41 rough water hull. Mark McManus built the boats, Bobby Moore rigged them and Keith Eickert powered them. Let's not forget Mercury Racing's part with their speedmaster drives.
Well by all means, Mark has an excellent track at building boats and winning ones too. That 50 Cold War was a one off and cannot reflect Marks ability of building boats. I wouldn't criticize the looks but rather applauds Mark's business acumen, 2 million for that is pretty extraordinary, I would have bought a Magnum instead. Yet, if you explore the Apache website, he has some pretty cool looking sit downs versions of boats I would have liked to see in real instead of a design on a website. I am more interested in what can be done today. I hope I can sit down in one of these one day but I am afraid my business acumen tells me i will have hole in my pocket before I can do so, these babies look terribly expensive.
Let me satify your curiosity. I am not related to Mark nor am I a business partner. I appreciate his powerboats.
Apache Powerboats is a small, custom, offshore powerboat company with a pedigree second to none. Don Aronow designed 41 rough water hull. Mark McManus built the boats, Bobby Moore rigged them and Keith Eickert powered them. Let's not forget Mercury Racing's part with their speedmaster drives.
Well by all means, Mark has an excellent track at building boats and winning ones too. That 50 Cold War was a one off and cannot reflect Marks ability of building boats. I wouldn't criticize the looks but rather applauds Mark's business acumen, 2 million for that is pretty extraordinary, I would have bought a Magnum instead. Yet, if you explore the Apache website, he has some pretty cool looking sit downs versions of boats I would have liked to see in real instead of a design on a website. I am more interested in what can be done today. I hope I can sit down in one of these one day but I am afraid my business acumen tells me i will have hole in my pocket before I can do so, these babies look terribly expensive.
04-20-2009 | 11:25 AM
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Tristar
Let me satify your curiosity. I am not related to Mark nor am I a business partner. I appreciate his powerboats.
Apache Powerboats is a small, custom, offshore powerboat company that started with a pedigree second to none. Don Aronow designed 41 rough water hull. Mark McManus built the boats, Bobby Moore rigged them and Keith Eickert powered them. Let's not forget Mercury Racing's part with their speedmaster drives. Ben Kramer, Bob Saccenti, Tom Evans had a racing team that was superior in every way. A real true offshore rough water racing effort. Not like what is seen today where the powerboats will turn around and come back to port if it's "too rough" ....Well, the world spins a few rotations and tosses the dice out of the cup.....what happens? Don Aronow is shot dead, Ben Kramer is imprisoned for life, Bob Saccenti has other powerboat company ventures, and Mark McManus is awarded Apache Powerboats.
Mark refurbishes and upgrades the older Apache Powerboats, he also builds new Apache Powerboats. I know you don't like the looks of the 50' but that's ok, because the man that had it built does. Maybe your tastes are more traditional and inline with Spirit of Apache, go to the video section on the Apache website and check out the custom features. It is way over the top! Mark can tailor the Apache to whatever the customer desires. That is what he does and who he is, a "Master Offshore Powerboat Builder"
Let me satify your curiosity. I am not related to Mark nor am I a business partner. I appreciate his powerboats.
Apache Powerboats is a small, custom, offshore powerboat company that started with a pedigree second to none. Don Aronow designed 41 rough water hull. Mark McManus built the boats, Bobby Moore rigged them and Keith Eickert powered them. Let's not forget Mercury Racing's part with their speedmaster drives. Ben Kramer, Bob Saccenti, Tom Evans had a racing team that was superior in every way. A real true offshore rough water racing effort. Not like what is seen today where the powerboats will turn around and come back to port if it's "too rough" ....Well, the world spins a few rotations and tosses the dice out of the cup.....what happens? Don Aronow is shot dead, Ben Kramer is imprisoned for life, Bob Saccenti has other powerboat company ventures, and Mark McManus is awarded Apache Powerboats.
Mark refurbishes and upgrades the older Apache Powerboats, he also builds new Apache Powerboats. I know you don't like the looks of the 50' but that's ok, because the man that had it built does. Maybe your tastes are more traditional and inline with Spirit of Apache, go to the video section on the Apache website and check out the custom features. It is way over the top! Mark can tailor the Apache to whatever the customer desires. That is what he does and who he is, a "Master Offshore Powerboat Builder"
The one thing I do not understand is why so few new Apaches are being made.
Mark has many different model types listed on that site, but what has been made recently? I mostly see refits. I dont doubt Apaches rough water abilities, but its odd to me that such a great boat does not have more demand for production, assuming someone is willing to built them for a fair price. Do modern day Cigs, Panteras, etc really perform that much worse than an Apache in rough water? Why dont we see more new Apaches?
Well by all means, Mark has an excellent track at building boats and winning ones too. That 50 Cold War was a one off and cannot reflect Marks ability of building boats. I wouldn't criticize the looks but rather applauds Mark's business acumen, 2 million for that is pretty extraordinary, I would have bought a Magnum instead.
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04-20-2009 | 12:23 PM
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Also i think we where talking next year ??? ,,,and in a official race SIB > Bimini and back !!!
I be there this year but only with my Aero-tek,,,still would love to meet you and chat about this !
Scott
04-20-2009 | 01:05 PM
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LOL!
Well, I see this Apache thread is gaining a little steam, like they almost always do! Just for the record, I love look of "Cold War" and would enjoy seeing some pics of it with the cockpit interior. Or any other pics of it or Tsunami. Two of my favorite Apache Powerboats. Do you hear me Duna, how about some pics!
Thanks
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Well, I see this Apache thread is gaining a little steam, like they almost always do! Just for the record, I love look of "Cold War" and would enjoy seeing some pics of it with the cockpit interior. Or any other pics of it or Tsunami. Two of my favorite Apache Powerboats. Do you hear me Duna, how about some pics!
Thanks
Ed
04-20-2009 | 01:19 PM
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I don't know where I will be next year so excuse me if we don't meet then. I din't mean to challenge you with my Cat, just let you know my plans. I am actually flying 20 hours ( Geneva Switzerland-New York-Miami) for this test over two days. I will most certainly run Key West in November's Poker Run, racing courses is over for me, too old now at forty with 5 kids and many other old people in the family to feed but who knows I might go crazy,buy myself a new V bottom and run you to Bimini and back(ach)
04-20-2009 | 01:50 PM
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The one thing I do not understand is why so few new Apaches are being made.
Mark has many different model types listed on that site, but what has been made recently? I mostly see refits. I dont doubt Apaches rough water abilities, but its odd to me that such a great boat does not have more demand for production, assuming someone is willing to built them for a fair price. Do modern day Cigs, Panteras, etc really perform that much worse than an Apache in rough water? Why dont we see more new Apaches?
Top Banana gave a good answer to that
Second item was a few weeks ago at the St Pete poker run, the wind had been blowing for days and the water was running pretty good....73 boats entered and 8 made the lunch stop. The others turned around at the bridge and went back to the docks. 3 deep Vees and the rest cats.
My opinion is that todays boats are capable of such high speeds, that that factor has become the only benchmark that is important to these guys.
The ability to handle a boat at speed in rough conditions doesn't equate anymore, they just want to say they have a fast boat that is capable of running, but they don't want to do the running.
Todays boaters are a different breed for sure.
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My opinion is that todays boats are capable of such high speeds, that that factor has become the only benchmark that is important to these guys.
The ability to handle a boat at speed in rough conditions doesn't equate anymore, they just want to say they have a fast boat that is capable of running, but they don't want to do the running.
Todays boaters are a different breed for sure.
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