Who owns the Apache trademark and name?
04-20-2009 | 01:52 PM
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LOL!
Well, I see this Apache thread is gaining a little steam, like they almost always do! Just for the record, I love look of "Cold War" and would enjoy seeing some pics of it with the cockpit interior. Or any other pics of it or Tsunami. Two of my favorite Apache Powerboats. Do you hear me Duna, how about some pics!
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Well, I see this Apache thread is gaining a little steam, like they almost always do! Just for the record, I love look of "Cold War" and would enjoy seeing some pics of it with the cockpit interior. Or any other pics of it or Tsunami. Two of my favorite Apache Powerboats. Do you hear me Duna, how about some pics!
Thanks
Ed
Do a search you will find pics on this board, search Apache Cold War on this search you will find a video and some...well lets just say interesting pics of the boat in rough seas,let me know what you think!
04-20-2009 | 02:32 PM
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If these are the pics, it looks like "Cold War" is at speed in some rough seas. Jumped a wave and landed almost at the base of another huge wave. (enduring an incredible amount of sea pressure) Pushed through that wave intact and powered forward. I read your comments where you thought it was too heavy to run rough water effectively. I agree that a somewhat lighter hull is more nimble, but it better not sacrifice strength in a situation like that! Or the results could be disastrous.
Ed
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04-20-2009 | 03:07 PM
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Hi Guys, Wow this discussion is heating up.
Well the boat ran as you would expect a boat of this calibre to run, not the fastest OK, but a sur ride. What would i change,
if i was paying quite a lot i would keep it simple. But it is what it is. Things can and do change. Sea Trials with Bob Teague we ran the boat easily in triple numbers' A few days later with
JT at TNT the sea conditions were not in our favor for one or two minor reaseons ! No seating, No Life Jackets on very little security and a boat not finished. However the results and potentiel was apparent. One Hell of a lot of boat, In the inland waterway we ran few a few photo's of the boat knowing conditions were a little rough outsde , On the sea we ran no more than 65- 70 mph due to lack of equipment and JT making the call to take it easy as the boat could eat it up.
Running in 8- Ten & some twelve footers . The boat was running to slow to take awesome shots.....DUNA
Well the boat ran as you would expect a boat of this calibre to run, not the fastest OK, but a sur ride. What would i change,
if i was paying quite a lot i would keep it simple. But it is what it is. Things can and do change. Sea Trials with Bob Teague we ran the boat easily in triple numbers' A few days later with
JT at TNT the sea conditions were not in our favor for one or two minor reaseons ! No seating, No Life Jackets on very little security and a boat not finished. However the results and potentiel was apparent. One Hell of a lot of boat, In the inland waterway we ran few a few photo's of the boat knowing conditions were a little rough outsde , On the sea we ran no more than 65- 70 mph due to lack of equipment and JT making the call to take it easy as the boat could eat it up.
Running in 8- Ten & some twelve footers . The boat was running to slow to take awesome shots.....DUNA
04-20-2009 | 03:26 PM
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Your telling me you think that Panteras (or Cigs) are not going to do as well as an Apache in the rough? Really?
I suppose its tough to compare, since most of Pateras stuff is in the 28-36 foot range, and the Apaches I assume you are referring to are mostly 41s...
Im not trying to argue here, but more or less am looking for a realistic and sensible answer. Panteras are well known for their abilities in rough water, I just think its a bit over-zealous to say nothing can come close to a 20 year old Apache; since there hasnt been much in terms of new boats under the Apache name. If I'm wrong, hey Im always willing to learn.
I suppose its tough to compare, since most of Pateras stuff is in the 28-36 foot range, and the Apaches I assume you are referring to are mostly 41s...
Im not trying to argue here, but more or less am looking for a realistic and sensible answer. Panteras are well known for their abilities in rough water, I just think its a bit over-zealous to say nothing can come close to a 20 year old Apache; since there hasnt been much in terms of new boats under the Apache name. If I'm wrong, hey Im always willing to learn.
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04-20-2009 | 03:46 PM
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Hi Guys, Wow this discussion is heating up.
Well the boat ran as you would expect a boat of this calibre to run, not the fastest OK, but a sur ride. What would i change,
if i was paying quite a lot i would keep it simple. But it is what it is. Things can and do change. Sea Trials with Bob Teague we ran the boat easily in triple numbers' A few days later with
JT at TNT the sea conditions were not in our favor for one or two minor reaseons ! No seating, No Life Jackets on very little security and a boat not finished. However the results and potentiel was apparent. One Hell of a lot of boat, In the inland waterway we ran few a few photo's of the boat knowing conditions were a little rough outsde , On the sea we ran no more than 65- 70 mph due to lack of equipment and JT making the call to take it easy as the boat could eat it up.
Running in 8- Ten & some twelve footers . The boat was running to slow to take awesome shots.....DUNA
Well the boat ran as you would expect a boat of this calibre to run, not the fastest OK, but a sur ride. What would i change,
if i was paying quite a lot i would keep it simple. But it is what it is. Things can and do change. Sea Trials with Bob Teague we ran the boat easily in triple numbers' A few days later with
JT at TNT the sea conditions were not in our favor for one or two minor reaseons ! No seating, No Life Jackets on very little security and a boat not finished. However the results and potentiel was apparent. One Hell of a lot of boat, In the inland waterway we ran few a few photo's of the boat knowing conditions were a little rough outsde , On the sea we ran no more than 65- 70 mph due to lack of equipment and JT making the call to take it easy as the boat could eat it up.
Running in 8- Ten & some twelve footers . The boat was running to slow to take awesome shots.....DUNA
04-20-2009 | 03:59 PM
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Boy what a sea trial!!!!! what happened to the boat now, is it still running in florida? I think a cut down sit down version of a newly rigged 47 with twins should do great in this stuff. Never change a winning formula, the 47 was still the best rough water boat I ever had but today even with the more powerful engines a little less weight can still accomplish great results. I wish I will live long enough to see this day I would love to bring 47's back to the scene!
Welcome to OSO and a pleasure to see your intrest in Apache
continues. Maybe it is time to step up to the plate and build the boat of your dreams. I agree a twin sit down with todays power is the way to go and its about time someone did it
step or no steps just build a cool new boat and get those great sensations that you are in an Apache powerboat. Unique.
From what i can read you have a large family,and still young be safe go Apache. Build a sit down 50' and whip those GUYS in Tropez !!!! its about time. DO IT. Duna
04-20-2009 | 09:13 PM
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Not going to get in the middle of this one for sure.....both Bob and Mark are friends of mine and we have all raced against each other in real ocean conditions....and that breeds a special bond with people.
That said.....Omar come on....at forty your ready to sit on the beach? Get ready,,,HORBA is going to put on a little run from Miami to Key west next February (yes, the winter water is bigger!!) That would be a nice place to test a new Vee bottom.
Duna.....found some more photos of Bounty Hunter....click on the HORBA website and don't click to enter....wait and you will get a slide show...one of those photos is Fayva Shoes Cat and Vee together at the docks....for your collection.
www.historicraceboats.com
That said.....Omar come on....at forty your ready to sit on the beach? Get ready,,,HORBA is going to put on a little run from Miami to Key west next February (yes, the winter water is bigger!!) That would be a nice place to test a new Vee bottom.
Duna.....found some more photos of Bounty Hunter....click on the HORBA website and don't click to enter....wait and you will get a slide show...one of those photos is Fayva Shoes Cat and Vee together at the docks....for your collection.
www.historicraceboats.com
04-21-2009 | 12:05 AM
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I disagree with your statement. You call the deck on the new McManus 50 ugly. And to you it may be, so you would not choose that deck design. You feel the need to insult another man's design tastes. Ok, you have accomplished that. I am sure you are fully aware that Mark McManus could build you any design deck that pleases you? Including, the original Apache design.
You want a lighter weight layup (but not to the point of sacrificing strength and safety) in a sit down configuration. I'm assuming with some new stringer and transom composites. Readily accomplished.
Your last comment intrigues me. Are you saying that you have talked to Mark McManus and he did not have a willingness to build you this 41 sit down Apache you desire? He was preoccupied with resting on his laurels?
Ed
I disagree with your statement. You call the deck on the new McManus 50 ugly. And to you it may be, so you would not choose that deck design. You feel the need to insult another man's design tastes. Ok, you have accomplished that. I am sure you are fully aware that Mark McManus could build you any design deck that pleases you? Including, the original Apache design.
You want a lighter weight layup (but not to the point of sacrificing strength and safety) in a sit down configuration. I'm assuming with some new stringer and transom composites. Readily accomplished.
Your last comment intrigues me. Are you saying that you have talked to Mark McManus and he did not have a willingness to build you this 41 sit down Apache you desire? He was preoccupied with resting on his laurels?
Ed
I didn't feel the need to insult another man's design tastes. I felt the need to express my Opinion and that's what I did. If you like it, I'm not going to criticize you or anyone else for their personal taste. Pardon Me For Having An Opinion Different From Yours!
My last comment intrigues you...What is it 2 new boats out of the Apache factory in the last, what, 5 years? I have every ounce of faith in the world, in his ability to build boats. There has been a lot of ideas put on the drawing board and not many turn into boats, yet. And, its not a personal attack on Mr. McManus. Please, don't attempt to make it seem that way. Plain and Simple...I was commenting on what I, particularly, would like to see Apache build.
There is a market out there for fast, sit-down, luxurious, and stable riding V-bottoms. Outerlimits has proved that already. I'm not saying to use the building techniques either. Not a lot of people want to buy the first boat and spend the time/money on the R&D.
The rest on laurels comment...There has been some changes to the deck, rigging, and interior, but, not any other changes made to the boat, like running more efficiently with smaller power. Oh wait, there was the padded keel added to one recently.
I wouldn't say or comment anything on here, that, I wouldn't say in person. People that know me know that to be true.
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04-21-2009 | 04:27 AM
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Hi Omar,
Welcome to OSO and a pleasure to see your intrest in Apache
continues. Maybe it is time to step up to the plate and build the boat of your dreams. I agree a twin sit down with todays power is the way to go and its about time someone did it
step or no steps just build a cool new boat and get those great sensations that you are in an Apache powerboat. Unique.
From what i can read you have a large family,and still young be safe go Apache. Build a sit down 50' and whip those GUYS in Tropez !!!! its about time. DO IT. Duna
Welcome to OSO and a pleasure to see your intrest in Apache
continues. Maybe it is time to step up to the plate and build the boat of your dreams. I agree a twin sit down with todays power is the way to go and its about time someone did it
step or no steps just build a cool new boat and get those great sensations that you are in an Apache powerboat. Unique.
From what i can read you have a large family,and still young be safe go Apache. Build a sit down 50' and whip those GUYS in Tropez !!!! its about time. DO IT. Duna
I would love to build a new project but I am afraid Mark would not be able to satisfy all my needs. First, I do not want to pay above market prices for what will be a simple twin engine 6 person sit down boat. Second, the deck needs to be redone to fit a cut down sit down boat so that will be extra. Third, I know he will want to build a heavy hull and deck using ultra layers kevlar & carbon to be bullet proof standard (i don't need a military boat) that is an overkill for a rough water boat. Forth, I want a simple boat without all the wistle gages that Mark put on Apache's, they nerver work properly so are a headache and you need 6 pairs of eyes just to keep track of them at a +100Mph, at that speed your eyes are on the sea plus now you have race views which replace all that. I cannot see Mark build one for less than 750K and I don't think having an Apache for that price makes sense for me but I am willing to be proven wrong and I always like to be proven wrong when it comes down to having something outperform my inital expectations.
P.S. Forget about St Tropez for power boating, you get yeld at when you do noise plus no one is capable of servicing these boats properly, high performance boating paradise is still florida. You want to have a diesel boat in St Tropez.
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