Who owns the Apache trademark and name?
04-21-2009 | 05:06 AM
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Charlie has access to the Chief molds 
This is a GREAT thing
I have as much seat tiome in the 42 chief as the current owner (ok almost as much) The boat and Hull are amazing and I have run the boat in 6 to 8s in Lake Michigan and the boat is unbelievable in the rough stuff
The hull is great!!
the old owners of the company were idiots and killed the company by abusing the first owners investments into the boat
I would love to see Charlie and Bobbie build a new one
This is a GREAT thing I have as much seat tiome in the 42 chief as the current owner (ok almost as much) The boat and Hull are amazing and I have run the boat in 6 to 8s in Lake Michigan and the boat is unbelievable in the rough stuff
The hull is great!!
the old owners of the company were idiots and killed the company by abusing the first owners investments into the boat
I would love to see Charlie and Bobbie build a new one
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04-21-2009 | 08:21 AM
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Ed
I didn't feel the need to insult another man's design tastes. I felt the need to express my Opinion and that's what I did. If you like it, I'm not going to criticize you or anyone else for their personal taste. Pardon Me For Having An Opinion Different From Yours!
My last comment intrigues you...What is it 2 new boats out of the Apache factory in the last, what, 5 years? I have every ounce of faith in the world, in his ability to build boats. There has been a lot of ideas put on the drawing board and not many turn into boats, yet. And, its not a personal attack on Mr. McManus. Please, don't attempt to make it seem that way. Plain and Simple...I was commenting on what I, particularly, would like to see Apache build.
There is a market out there for fast, sit-down, luxurious, and stable riding V-bottoms. Outerlimits has proved that already. I'm not saying to use the building techniques either. Not a lot of people want to buy the first boat and spend the time/money on the R&D.
The rest on laurels comment...There has been some changes to the deck, rigging, and interior, but, not any other changes made to the boat, like running more efficiently with smaller power. Oh wait, there was the padded keel added to one recently.
I wouldn't say or comment anything on here, that, I wouldn't say in person. People that know me know that to be true.
Big Andy
I didn't feel the need to insult another man's design tastes. I felt the need to express my Opinion and that's what I did. If you like it, I'm not going to criticize you or anyone else for their personal taste. Pardon Me For Having An Opinion Different From Yours!
My last comment intrigues you...What is it 2 new boats out of the Apache factory in the last, what, 5 years? I have every ounce of faith in the world, in his ability to build boats. There has been a lot of ideas put on the drawing board and not many turn into boats, yet. And, its not a personal attack on Mr. McManus. Please, don't attempt to make it seem that way. Plain and Simple...I was commenting on what I, particularly, would like to see Apache build.
There is a market out there for fast, sit-down, luxurious, and stable riding V-bottoms. Outerlimits has proved that already. I'm not saying to use the building techniques either. Not a lot of people want to buy the first boat and spend the time/money on the R&D.
The rest on laurels comment...There has been some changes to the deck, rigging, and interior, but, not any other changes made to the boat, like running more efficiently with smaller power. Oh wait, there was the padded keel added to one recently.
I wouldn't say or comment anything on here, that, I wouldn't say in person. People that know me know that to be true.
Big Andy
Apache is a small custom powerboat company, I don't think you will ever see new ones sitting around on a boat dealers lot in a variety of colors and power options waiting for buyers. Especially in a bear market.
When you by a new Apache you will have the pleasure of sitting down with Mark and getting his full attention, experience and input. You will be able to custom tailor your Apache to exactly what you desire. Being that involved with the builder gives your Apache a personal custom touch.
Andy, I am sure that there will be detractors spouting off negative comments in person or on a board like OSO to anything you build. I am know you won't appeciate it, nor would I.
Ed
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04-21-2009 | 08:27 AM
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Hi Duna,
I would love to build a new project but I am afraid Mark would not be able to satisfy all my needs. First, I do not want to pay above market prices for what will be a simple twin engine 6 person sit down boat. Second, the deck needs to be redone to fit a cut down sit down boat so that will be extra. Third, I know he will want to build a heavy hull and deck using ultra layers kevlar & carbon to be bullet proof standard (i don't need a military boat) that is an overkill for a rough water boat. Forth, I want a simple boat without all the wistle gages that Mark put on Apache's, they nerver work properly so are a headache and you need 6 pairs of eyes just to keep track of them at a +100Mph, at that speed your eyes are on the sea plus now you have race views which replace all that. I cannot see Mark build one for less than 750K and I don't think having an Apache for that price makes sense for me but I am willing to be proven wrong and I always like to be proven wrong when it comes down to having something outperform my inital expectations.
P.S. Forget about St Tropez for power boating, you get yeld at when you do noise plus no one is capable of servicing these boats properly, high performance boating paradise is still florida. You want to have a diesel boat in St Tropez.
I would love to build a new project but I am afraid Mark would not be able to satisfy all my needs. First, I do not want to pay above market prices for what will be a simple twin engine 6 person sit down boat. Second, the deck needs to be redone to fit a cut down sit down boat so that will be extra. Third, I know he will want to build a heavy hull and deck using ultra layers kevlar & carbon to be bullet proof standard (i don't need a military boat) that is an overkill for a rough water boat. Forth, I want a simple boat without all the wistle gages that Mark put on Apache's, they nerver work properly so are a headache and you need 6 pairs of eyes just to keep track of them at a +100Mph, at that speed your eyes are on the sea plus now you have race views which replace all that. I cannot see Mark build one for less than 750K and I don't think having an Apache for that price makes sense for me but I am willing to be proven wrong and I always like to be proven wrong when it comes down to having something outperform my inital expectations.
P.S. Forget about St Tropez for power boating, you get yeld at when you do noise plus no one is capable of servicing these boats properly, high performance boating paradise is still florida. You want to have a diesel boat in St Tropez.
Omar
Sounds like you are ready raise the bar with a new Apache!
Ed
04-21-2009 | 02:04 PM
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Well I have learned a good lesson with time, test and improve, its hard being the first guy to pop a boat from a mold. Mark does fantastic strong boats but I am sure you can build strong and light as well without getting too exotic on the bottom. You never know how many steps etc etc etc. Fountain builds nice bottoms but sorry for all fountain boaters, I still can't get used to the bow nose, its ugly and never got better. Maybe a 47 Apache cut down like the Heritage with light weight can be a good compromise so that you don't need the triple headache of running three powerplants.
I have an idea!!! Have Charlie (Top Bannana) build you a 41' but ask them to have Skater/MTI or one of the other high-end cat builders like Mystic do the lay-up!
Speaking of Skater, I wonder how their V rides? I've never been in one.
04-21-2009 | 02:19 PM
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I talked about the Skater 399V yesterday, I never took a ride in it but I think from watching Key West races that it kinda rolls from side to side a little at high speeds. I am not sure I would go with the top banana solution, I have not tested the bottom on the steps on that boat. At the end, Donzi ZRC is still the best option plus you can buy one cheaper than anything else comparable and they are great in rough.
04-21-2009 | 03:36 PM
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I agree about the Skater, I noticed it looked like it ran chine-to-chine a bit.
The 42' Chief is for sale, maybe a test run is in order!
I think a cut-down version of that hull would be bad-azz! I know the steps were designed by a naval engineer and I think they ventilated it later on. Pretty sure it can be built with/without steps. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ideoid=4074488
Good luck with the Donzi!!! I often wonder what my 36' would be like with all the new Epoxy and coring laminates!
Good luck in whatever you do, I've been watching you race since I was a litle kid!
The 42' Chief is for sale, maybe a test run is in order!
I think a cut-down version of that hull would be bad-azz! I know the steps were designed by a naval engineer and I think they ventilated it later on. Pretty sure it can be built with/without steps. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ideoid=4074488Good luck with the Donzi!!! I often wonder what my 36' would be like with all the new Epoxy and coring laminates!
Good luck in whatever you do, I've been watching you race since I was a litle kid!
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04-21-2009 | 04:13 PM
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I agree about the Skater, I noticed it looked like it ran chine-to-chine a bit.
The 42' Chief is for sale, maybe a test run is in order! I think a cut-down version of that hull would be bad-azz! I know the steps were designed by a naval engineer and I think they ventilated it later on. Pretty sure it can be built with/without steps. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ideoid=4074488
Good luck with the Donzi!!! I often wonder what my 36' would be like with all the new Epoxy and coring laminates!
Good luck in whatever you do, I've been watching you race since I was a litle kid!
The 42' Chief is for sale, maybe a test run is in order!
I think a cut-down version of that hull would be bad-azz! I know the steps were designed by a naval engineer and I think they ventilated it later on. Pretty sure it can be built with/without steps. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ideoid=4074488Good luck with the Donzi!!! I often wonder what my 36' would be like with all the new Epoxy and coring laminates!
Good luck in whatever you do, I've been watching you race since I was a litle kid!
P.S. The 36 Apahe was the first real powerboat I ever built for friends, Bobby built it for me 20 years ago, I guess yours doesn't look anything like it anymore
04-21-2009 | 05:50 PM
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Omar, I will say go for a test ride in the Donzi ZRC and you will be impressed with how it runs. If your looking to spend more money then the new Statement is the boat for you. Give the guys at the factory a call and they will set you up! Also I hate saying this but a 42 Fountain poker run boat will run with the best of them in the rough.
