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Ona-Mission 08-11-2010 06:04 PM

have you looked at a 41 Saber? Classic style with new tech.

Originally Posted by Oceans15 (Post 3175335)
What are the prose & cons of purchasing the "No Reservation" Apache? Boat looks great and Sterling has a pair of 900's that would potentially provide adequate power. Any comments are appreciated. Owned a 30' Phantom so this is a major upgrade.


Comanche3Six 08-14-2010 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Ona-Mission (Post 3180384)
have you looked at a 41 Saber? Classic style with new tech.

What is the new tech?

Ona-Mission 08-15-2010 05:45 PM

Don't get me wrong. No Reservation is a nice boats, and the owner put a lot of time and money into. Everything about new construction is new tech compared to 20 years ago. Raw materials are better, drives are stronger, Merc. power is reliable and more fuel effeciant. Electronics are more advanced. and todays hull is with or without steps.

Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 3182396)
What is the new tech?


Comanche3Six 08-15-2010 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by Ona-Mission (Post 3182992)
Don't get me wrong. No Reservation is a nice boats, and the owner put a lot of time and money into. Everything about new construction is new tech compared to 20 years ago. Raw materials are better, drives are stronger, Merc. power is reliable and more fuel effeciant. Electronics are more advanced. and todays hull is with or without steps.

I'm with you on the Merc end of the new tech. Apache Powerboats are Kevlar and proven extremely durable, obviously they have the correct tech. And if it's a new Apache you want , they can be built also. Saber is a fine powerboat, but I don't believe they are kevlar. Just add money........as always.

TexomaPowerboater 08-16-2010 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by Ona-Mission (Post 3182992)
Don't get me wrong. No Reservation is a nice boats, and the owner put a lot of time and money into. Everything about new construction is new tech compared to 20 years ago. Raw materials are better, drives are stronger, Merc. power is reliable and more fuel effeciant. Electronics are more advanced. and todays hull is with or without steps.

I disagree about construction, Apache used materials back in the day that have still not been matched. There is nothing advanced about balsa cored saber hulls.

MidOcean 08-16-2010 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 3183544)
I disagree about construction, Apache used materials back in the day that have still not been matched. There is nothing advanced about balsa cored saber hulls.

What materials are you talking about Tex? Plywood? Woven roving and matt? The newer boat is going to have tri-axial and bi-axial weaves to start(090's and 045's). Hybrid poly/ vinyl resin is another plus that wasn't around back in the day.

Panther 08-16-2010 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by MidOcean (Post 3183591)
What materials are you talking about Tex? Plywood? Woven roving and matt? The newer boat is going to have tri-axial and bi-axial weaves to start(090's and 045's). Hybrid poly/ vinyl resin is another plus that wasn't around back in the day.

2000 timeframe 36' (Blue Moon for instance) had biax and vinylester along with non-wood materials and a step which was good for up to 1K-1500 lbs weight savings and 7-10 mph on the water. :)

I watched one win the NYC SBI race in F-2 class back then... :)

MidOcean 08-16-2010 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 3183604)
2000 timeframe 36' (Blue Moon for instance) had biax and vinylester along with non-wood materials and a step which was good for up to 1K-1500 lbs weight savings and 7-10 mph on the water. :)

I watched one win the NYC SBI race in F-2 class back then... :)

I'm assuming that "back in the day" means mid 80's.

TexomaPowerboater 08-16-2010 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by MidOcean (Post 3183591)
What materials are you talking about Tex? Plywood? Woven roving and matt? The newer boat is going to have tri-axial and bi-axial weaves to start(090's and 045's). Hybrid poly/ vinyl resin is another plus that wasn't around back in the day.

Thought I recall Steve 1 saying they used a material you can't buy nowadays.

4FX 08-16-2010 11:23 PM

"The Chief" Runs an Honest 80Mph with 6 people and 1/2 load of fuel and we ran 85mph testing props 1 day in summer of 08' 2-3 footers with a borrowed set. Chief 850SC's and Merc 3A drives. I helped Rob do a lot of work on the boat when I worked for him. Full Pleasure 41' Apache, What does Tatonka run? with Chief 980's and No.6's that's a full pleasure as well bigger power and 6's???


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