Speaking of.....

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/c...nilla-ice.html

He's already gone where he is going next. You are looking at it every day.
You'll see.

43 new posts since Friday doesn't exactly look like things are booming in SOS land.

"WE" had it up to 6oo to 800 new posts PER DAY.

I guess some people descided they couldn't live with the taint.

43 New Posts since Friday???????!!!!!!!!!!!!
That chithouse is caving in faster than I thought it would. Fantastic! The sooner the better!! Good riddence to bad rubbish!

"Robbed of 700 dollars"...not really, 700 was the amount he took from everyone's "donations" to a charity, the previous time he wrote a bogus check to a children's charity for 2600, some have said the amount doesnt matter, it's the intent. Why would you befrind someone that is in the mindset to steal from a charity that helps children with Cancer?

"Lied about who he is"...ever since he arrived on OSO, he continually bloviated of his boats (somewhere in the mid 20's now I think) and of his exploits in everything from backyard BBQing, to being a self defense training of police officers to normandy style steel beams in the ground to protect his house. As for the boats it was 4 41 apaches, a 38 and 46 cougar, a 41 and 50 foot searay, 6 or so sutphins, a topgun, a couple of 35 cigs (mark donahues old boat), a 28 apache, a velociity which the site is named after, yet the only pics of it are by the current owner in front of his house. The fact that this was done over the course of years, showed that he has socialogical patterns toward lies and fabrication. Your ok with this? this is the type of guy you want on your boat with your family?

"took credit for something he didnt do".... because he was waiting for the payday and got greedy and got busted. Lots of people put 18 months of man hours into building that site, as I had posted previously, when the ownership change here, and the resulting server issues, everyone built what we wanted, in less than a year I saw the writing on the wall and walked away a little after a year. What started out as a democracy led to one person making all the decisions and controlling the content, to what he only thought was acceptable, everything that he did was a calcualted move to bolster his position in the industry to continue to fleece the members like you, by preying on your generosity. You're ok with this?

"Sorry your butts got hurt over this"... making a statement like this and then telling people to respect you in the next paragraph is kind of contradicting wouldn't you say? I have been respectful and even posted my phone number as words can much more accurately describe, and frankly I've typed it more than a few times. In the end , youre free to go and do whatever you want, if you choose to be his friend good luck, but to come on here and ridicule the very people that made that site what you like, (I'll mention being as they are not there now you can have a conversation there with the same 15 or so people) dont expect people to react nicely as you try to rub anything in their faces. :)

Dont use hatred of the occurances, dont use false loyalty, dont use whatever individual experiences you have had with Sunkin to cloud your judgement on this whole subject.....use logic.

It has been proven that on almost every topic he has been involved in he has lied.

So why now is there a leap of faith that makes anyone think that this supposed transfer of ownership is true ??

Makes no logical sense.

SOS is all the man has that was any measure of success.
If his businesses were anything to brag about we would have heard about it and seen it. NOTHING.

Sunkin will use every move possible to hang on to SOS. There is no way that he has given up. If he isnt going to share in whatever $$$ can be generated he has lost his last chance to earn money through his method of deception.
Google has taken care of any new scam ever happening.

I dont care what anyone participating in this current move says , we all know Chris Sunkin's modus operendi and its ILLOGICAL to think this isnt just another ruse.

You can tell when he is lying......his lips are moving.

To back up what Alec said I submit this:

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...tals-scam.html


Leopards never change their spots...

Stecz posted that he is running the site. How can CS still be doing it without Srecz knowing about it ?

Great point.

The offshore boating family isnt his first rodeo. Go read the motorcycle forums that have been identified.
Starts out as Mr. Helpful, Mr. Knowledge and all of a sudden he evaporates with people looking for him for money or parts that are owed to them.

Its a pattern. Thats his skill set. Deception.

He's been caught and outed on numerous topics on here.

There is nowhere else to go from here, so there is absolutely no way he is releasing his grasp on this attempt at making money.
Advertisers are still at risk.

And if he is operating any of his boat enterprises currently, any of those customers are equally at risk.

Use logic.

He does know.

Here is Saturdays activities.



6/18 8:00am --> 6/19 10:45am
OSO: 54T, 798P
SOS: 14T, -61P

Does MINUS 61 posts make any sense to you??

When people left they recorded their stats.
Now their posts are being eliminated . Why ??

I believe that current good volunteers arent participating in wiping out old posts, but they are still being wiped out by somebody.
Cant wait to hear what they are being told as the reason.

I wish they would wipe out all my old post!!

yea me too... Someone delete everything I posed over there...please :D

How is your memory?

Does this look like CigDaze profile as he left it? NOT

All the naysayers previous posts are being scrutinized and/or eliminated.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...07/cigdaze.jpg

Unfortunately, the fact that posts are disappearing means that most likely the ADMIN of SOS is deleting them. That in turn points a finger of deception directly at Stecz. UNLESS of course CS still has admin power on Serious.
If facts are that Dave is deleting them, then what exactly is he who claims to "have nothing to hide" trying to hide? Why is he trying to hide it?
Does it mean that the claims that all history of the board room discussions were not really wiped out by CS due to "Security breaches"and now Dave or CS is removing them to cover up tracks?
Is it just posts by CS with incriminating evidence of all his lies that are being removed by either him or Dave?
Maybe members who are tired of the BS are deleting their own posts to avoid being associated with CS? Nah, can't be that unless SOS changed the 24 hr member post deletion rules.

What ever fact is the truth, someone is removing posts. If it is CS, then quite probably the entire transfer of ownership and CS's claim to be gone are just another LIE and CHARADE perpetraited on the members and moderators of SOS by a corrupt to the core administration.

If its Dave, then the big question is WHY??????? Is deletion of proof part of the price paid for ownership?

If its individual members, then there is no need for questions, the end is near.

Any comment Dave?
Any comment Buizilla?
Any comment from any other Moderator or Administrator?

PS, please only answer with the TRUTH. Some of us are tired of all the lies.

I hope Viper and Birddog are starting to see through this. It's not much different than the BP war room making employees sign releases and focus on their image.
If SOS was serious about turning the page, they wouldn't have a negative post trend.

As I see it, people split off from OSO to create a new forum focused on boating and not the politics of site management. The site has turned completely into politics and site management, alienting the very members who represent the core of our online bosting community.

So if there is a future for SOS, it is likely to stay an outside, obscure site that will not gain the influence it was on track for.

If the core members (of which I am not) decide the OSO is once again the place they want to hang their hats and focus their energy, then whether CS has left the SOS building is a moot point. But if SOS wants to attract these guys back, the should do a much better job of giving evidence that the CS deportation has occured. This BP-esque nonsense is having the reverse effect.

Just my 2 cents.

Thats the problem i have. Logic tells me that Dave must be a part of this. But...Dave is a Real good friend of yours.
Have you talked to him about this ?

Neither Srecz or Cs "Own" SOS, correct ? Anybody know the real owner ?

Maybe some of the members were so disgusted by CS that they have decided to remove all their post. :drink:

Members cant do that.
Once they are there 24 hours they are permanent.

The viability of any site is having control of your own financial destiny. That includes having control over your own servers.
Dave is aware of all that and is working on obtaining that control from those that have had it all along.
He also understands that having that control comes with the cost of paying the monthly bill that Sunkin never had to pay.

Yes I have a problem in the fact that Dave is my friend.

He and I disagree on what he is participating in.

I also have a problem in that one of the volunteers is a good person and thinks that what he is doing is good also.

Phone conversations that I have with either of them are not going to be repeated verbatim, I dont believe in that and they dont either.

I go as far as saying that it is my personal opinion that this transition is to the betterment of Chris Sunkin.

My friend is in a bad place and he has been told by me more than once, as has the volunteer.

Enough good friends have had crappy conversations over this POS and I've probably had more than anyone.
No one caused this grief except Chris Sunkin. But I'm not ruining my relationship with Dave over it.

The members can decide if they want to support the site.
One of the problems re having the members choose what they want to do, is the fact that a lot of them dont know what has transpired. That will be remedied.

If an advertiser thinks that its good marketing to have his/her name on there, so be it.
If an advertiser thinks that purchasing a 12 month banner ad that will be up for 12 months is a good decision , so be it.
If an advertiser buys a banner ad for 12 months and thinks they will get .05 back if the site isnt around, needs their head examined.

Chris Sunkin hasnt left the building.

Stecz is being loyal to his friend. What can I say ??

This thing is pretty much a dead deal now I think.

Deleting posts is kind of weird, but think about it like this. If they really want to clean the rep and start over, then maybe they are removing the BS and strying to start with a clean slate. Cant say that I wouldnt do the same thing....

It seems to me that SOS will either die or come up from the ashes a better site all together. Either way, supporters of OSO need to focus all this attention on bettering this site and less on slamming the other, now that everyone has been exposed.

Take the emotion and agenda out of all this bullchit.

Use logic.

Why would Sunkin leave??

He hasnt shown contriteness or responsibility for any of this yet.

He also doesnt have a pot to pisss in and this is his

Hail Mary.

Doesn't have a pot to piss in and this is his hail mary?? The internet is a BIG PLACE.. Hail Mary?? At worst the game is over, at best he is down 127 to nothing, ball on his own 1 yard line with 01 seconds left in the game, too choices, try to win the game or leave the field and find an easier game, which would be easier?




Using 'Logic" as illogical as many of you think my thinking is:

1. Most conmen, burglars, thieves etc are lazy. Its much EASIER for them to take what they want as opposed to earning it.

2. Most people like to be 'cool' or at least liked by the masses

Having been 'exposed' and 'blacklisted' even if he is still somehow Stecz's puppet master, he is in a target poor environment now. With very few left on SOS and even fewer willing to buy anything he could attempt to sell, wether its influence, advertising etc., he would have to work extremely hard for any reward of his efforts while at the same time under the microscope of many that make James Bond look like Nancy Drew. It has to be painfully obvious to him that he can't change brands of toilet paper without you guys finding out about it.

Given such adversity to sheering sheep, it would be MUCH easier and MUCH more profitable for him to find a new flock to fleece.

Whether its becoming the resident lawn tractor expert at Briggs&Stratten.com or the Cessna Czar at plane&pilot.com A hunter will go where there is abundant prey.

Sure there is the possibilty he could still weasel a little out of a power boater or two, but the ROI vs. effort just isn't there.

Of the few left on SOS including the flag waivers, who HASN'T said they wouldn't give him a dime much less vouch for him? To munipulate people you need there trust and niavety in which the boating community he has niether.

If you were stealing car stereos in a particularly small neighborhood and got caught, then your name, discription, mug shot and method were distributed door to door in that little neighborhoodevery day for a couple months.... And the townsfolk had a neighborhood watch setup to look for you specifically 24/7 Would you still try and steal stereos there or would you find a new nieghborhood ??????? My guess is that you would be 3 counties over as fast as your little feet could carry you.

hey, I just got a new John Deere lawn mower w/ a Briggs & Scrapiron!!!!!:party-smiley-004:

Given such adversity to sheering sheep, it would be MUCH easier and MUCH more profitable for him to find a new flock to fleece.

I would agree if Google didnt exist.

His choice was to put his loyal friend at risk.

Its a Hail Mary pass to the currently uninjured.

He has no feelings for anyone but himself.

Time will tell.

Your posts are a far cry different today than they were in April as are many others.

It is what it is.

Ok Rob, so do you think that all of what you posted being the case, Chris would not take a guaranteed SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS to walk away and turn the site ownership over to a consortium of the four main site supporters / operators / bill payers BUT he would instead take ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, walk away and just hand the site over to ONE founder who logged less hours on the site in a year than you did every day?

Now there is a question worth waiting for an answer on !!

Thats just it, google can provide his next victims and specialty dejour with the click of a mouse. An endless listing of special intrests to exploit, Hence my earlier reply" where is he going next" 5 minutes on google will find an entirely different base of victims, a few hours on google to learn the catch phrases and basics and whaalaaah... he could be the new king of kit cars with a shelby cobra knock off and a fiero ferrari in the garage extolling the virtues of carbon fiber body panels vs. fiberglass as he bums a ride on the next rod run.

Cessna czar...omg I'm dying...that is hilarious.

Thats an easy one. at the time he probably thought he had a return much greater than that waiting. he got greedy, he held on to his stock when his broker told him to sell...the stock tanked. He phucked himself on that one. You really think that right now he isn't wishing he had taken the money and ran?? Now his stock is worthless, he has no more investors to bilk. Once a ponzi collapses its done, your not going to make money off of it, you have to go start a new one. At the time the money was offered, he more than likely thought it as a speed bump and didn't slow down, he soon found that speed bump was a brick wall smashing head on. He then gave Stecz the last semi dented hubcap.

You guys seem to think that hubcap was to distract people while he tried to rebuild the car. Hell he stole the care to begin with, why rebuild it when there is an entire parking lot of cars with the keys in them, engines running on the other side of the street???

I thought it was'nt his to sell......

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...tals-scam.html


When national crashed and burned, did he give the buisness to his secrataries cousin so he could keep scamming boaters behind the scenes or did he go find new victims that Knew nothing of his boat selling endevours??

Just a side note on the Hionis thing. I first met him in 99 when he became a Cig dealer. it was my first year as a Cig dealer as well.

Bill got caught up in the lifestyle and trying to be the biggest dealer in the world. That simple. When ends couldnt meet it fell apart. Problem is that he tried to keep things alfloat with other peoples money for wayyy to long. If he hadnt blown the money on jets/hookers/blow etc he would ve made it. He implemented some creative, yet legal, cash flow financing strategies that would have worked.

In the end he made bad decisions and wound up stealing money. I see CS as a very diff thief/scumbag

Actually Sunkin wanted to be a baller, big man on campus.... everything he said and did was to become a boat guru in peoples eyes. Had he just been happy being himself he would have been successfull. He got caught up in wannabe ballerdom and it collapsed. Thats the thing, if Chris had been Chris instead of trying to con us into thinking he something he wasn't (as far as the money, I don't know if it was blatant theft or more likely, the I'm short, I can borrow it and pay it back nxt week, except next week he was still short scenario) He would be on top of SOS and would be the guy he wlways wanted to be. So they both jumped into the deep end and found themselves over their heads. Sunkin didnt do this for instant money, he did it for status.

If he SUNKIN hadnt blown the HIS CREDIBILTY on jets/hookers/blow BEING BMOCetc he would ve made it. He implemented some creative, yet legal, cash flow financing strategies that would have workedPUT TOGETHER THE BRST TEAM OF GUYS POSSIBLE WHO WERE HELPING HIM BUILD A MAJOR FORCE IN THE OFFSHORE WORLD.

Phragle
You don't give thieves enough credit. The thieves are some of the most intelligent people out there. Everyone takes steps and measures to keep thieves out of their business and possessions. The thieves have to come up with a way to get around all of the security measures and get away with the goods and/or services. Its not an easy task and a lot of risk is involved.

As far as your stereo comment. When the heat is on, thieves lay-low and wait for the fire to die down before going back for another score(s). They also wait for a diversion. Meaning, everyone in town is out at the local carnival or fair and the thieves are taking advantage of the situation.

Big Andy

Todays version of what Andy is referring to as a diversion is Stecz owning and running SOS.


Sunkin doesnt want to be the only one that knows what the bottom of a bus looks like.

Dave isnt stupid, he'll get it soon enough.

He's from Jersey, makes him street smart but too bullheaded to listen.

Not disagreeing with anything that you wrote, and although there may be varying degrees of thieves and scumbags, any thief or scumbag is one none the less.

In other countries if a man steals food for his family his hand is cut off. Just sayin

Rob

Dont want to steal your thunder, but before its too late you might want to find Jay and have him bake up a special cake for tomorrow.:lolhit::lolhit:

That hurt:picard1:

OOPS I hit one of the good guys:lolhit::lolhit::lolhit: