My bad. I was just having a laugh. Judging by the reply from GG he didn't take it to heart and was having a laugh of his own. JPD made a good point though about some of the other threads.

As I read back through this thread to confirm who were the worst offenders regarding personal attacks, I noticed that some of the more colorful contributors have, except for their quoted posts, vanished like a fart in the wind.

It takes 6 of us(at least) to watch this crap. And we watch EACH OTHER so that point is baseless.

Other than that, carry on.

The State of New York is pretty close to the State of California...damn near broke. So if the State can get a healthy fine out of these guys, then they dont have to spend money to house them for any length of time...with the exception of Angelo. Judging from what has happened to Sgro, Lawrence and a few lesser knowns involved in the theft ring, you are probably correct in saying that no one would have gone to jail if the Cardshark had been stolen in New York with one exception. That would be Curtis. His own admition of being locked up 40 or 50 times for petty this or that crimes has irritated the authoriries. I would be worried if I was him since he doesnt have the money to buy his way out. Now to be fair with Curtis...he had nothing to do with the Cardshark. His claim to fame came from all the other boats and the one he pled guilty to...felony insurance fraud (100K+) and filling a false document for the Skater boat he conjured up on paper which could get him an extended stay at the Sing-Sing Resort for 2-1/2 to 7 years. His brother, JC has a conspiracy charge he is facing and it can go either way...prison or a fine or both. Winters could be looking at the same thing as JC but Winters does have the money to buy his freedom. Jeff didnt have the money to buy his way out either, but here in Texas...buying your way out of a crime is rare. However, Jeff did have a deal with the Sherman DA to get probation, but at the last minute, the Sherman DA turned liar and crawfished on the deal...to the objections of the local investigators, the New York authorities and Markel insurance investigators. The other two guys here in Texas walked with one stooping so LOW as to say he did not have anything to do with the Cardshark theft, but yet cutting a trail to the Sheriff and the Sherman DA to get immunity. Why get immunity if you had nothing to do with it? The other guy got hit with a law suit from Markel. The owner of the Cardshark came out the winner...no more boat...no more payments...he got the money.

No worries. It's all good. Just wanted to point that out, mostly in jest, that it's not ALL on topic. Gotta have thick skin around these parts, especially the mods, because it's a thankless volunteer job.
Cheers!

I disagree.
I would be inclined to believe the boat was stolen without any involvement from him.
Had he been a conspirator there certainly would have been sworn statements implicating him during the investigation and testimony while arguing the cases.
Plus IMO, there's NO WAY the insurance company would let him off the hook on that kind of offense against their company had they caught wind of it.

See ya,
Kelly

No worries on disagreeing. Markel was told the same as the investigators on how the theft originated. They did look into it, but without anyother witnesses...ie...the other three Texas players...there was nothing that they could do. I was told the following...

"Skater boat salesman contacted jeff asking about making a boat go away. Jeff said it could be done. Skater boat guy called performance motor builder guy and relayed it to him. Performance motor builder guy contacted the owner (omitting his name but initials are D.H.). D.H. stated he didnt want to know about it. Performance motor builder guy contacted Skater boat sales guy, then Skater boat guy contacted Jeff. The Cardshark was placed in a very convenient spot away from anyother boats and all locks that were previously on the trailer were removed. (One of the employees at the performance motor builders place told the investigators this) Two days later, the Cardshark was gone and less than 24 hours later, the Cardshark was at Activator boat place where Angelo paid Jeff for the delivery."

Now this is what was told to the Sherman investigators and also Markel investigators, but with only one person saying it and three others denying it...Markel had no choice, but if you contact the investigators in Sherman and Markel, they will tell you that they do believe it. And since one of the three players got himself immunity...that also closed the door on anything happeneing to him. No key testimony from the Skater boat sales guy who originated all this...and you are racing a dead horse.

This is what was told to me when I asked questions way back in the beginning by the investigators.

Me too. I eagerly await all the court results. He who laughs last...laughs best.

According to http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webc...efendantSearch, these are the new next court dates and status' of the 7 still in NY's court system.
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Jeffrey Cropper
next app. 9-6-12

PL 165.50 00 D Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Cpsp-3rd:value Of Prop > $3000
Indictment Count2
Date Added04/05/2011

PL 145.10 00 D Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Criminal Mischief - 2nd
Indictment Count3
Date Added04/05/2011

PL 105.10 01 E Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Conspiracy -4th
Indictment Count4
Date Added04/05/2011

PL 165.52 00
**TOP CHARGE** C Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Cpsp-2nd:value Of Prop >$50000
Indictment Count1
Date Added04/05/2011

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Curtis Cropper
next app. 9-6-12

PL 145.00 00 A Misdemeanor, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Criminal Mischief - 4th
Indictment Count2
Date Added04/23/2012 Pled Guilty

PL 165.52 00 C Felony, 2 counts, Arrest charge, Arraignment charge
Cpsp-2nd:value Of Prop >$50000
Indictment Count2 Covered By Pl 145.00 00

PL 145.10 00
**TOP CHARGE** D Felony, 2 counts, Arrest charge, Arraignment charge
Criminal Mischief - 2nd
Indictment Count1 Covered By Pl 145.00 00

Curtis Cropper
next app. 9-6-12

176.25 00 C Felony, 1 count, Arrest charge, Arraignment charge
Insurance Fraud 2nd: > $50000
Indictment Count3 Covered By Pl 176.20 00

PL 175.35 00
**TOP CHARGE** E Felony, 1 count, Arrest charge, Arraignment charge
Offr Fle Fls Instrmnt-1st
Indictment Count1 Covered By Pl 176.20 00

PL 240.50 3A A Misdemeanor, 1 count, Arrest charge, Arraignment charge
False Rpt-incident Didnt Occur
Indictment Count2 Covered By Pl 176.20 00

PL 176.20 00 D Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Insurance Fraud 3rd>3000
Indictment Count3
Date Added04/23/2012 Pled Guilty

Curtis Cropper
next app. 10-5-12

PL 105.10 00
**TOP CHARGE** E Felony, 1 count, Arrest charge, Arraignment charge
Conspiracy -4th

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James Winters
next app. 8-28-12

PL 170.70 03
**TOP CHARGE** E Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Poss Illegal Veh Id No Plate
Indictment Count7
Date Added04/05/2011

PL 165.52 00 C Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Cpsp-2nd:value Of Prop >$50000
Indictment Count8
Date Added04/05/2011

PL 105.10 01 E Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Conspiracy -4th
Indictment Count9
Date Added04/05/2011

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Joseph Sgro
next app. 9-14-12

PL 145.00 00 A Misdemeanor, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Criminal Mischief - 4th
Indictment Count1
Date Added11/16/2011 Pled Guilty

PL 105.10 01
**TOP CHARGE** E Felony, 2 counts, Arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Conspiracy -4th
Indictment Count1 Covered By Pl 145.00 00

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Richard Mach
next app. 9-6-12

PL 175.10 00 E Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Falsify Busines Rcrds-1st
Indictment Count3
Date Added04/05/2011 Covered By Pl 175.05 00

PL 175.05 00 A Misdemeanor, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Falsify Business Recs-2nd
Indictment Count1
Date Added12/07/2011 Pled Guilty

PL 175.10 00
**TOP CHARGE** E Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Falsify Busines Rcrds-1st
Indictment Count1
Date Added04/05/2011 Covered By Pl 175.05 00

PL 155.40 00 C Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Grand Larceny 2nd
Indictment Count2
Date Added04/05/2011 Covered By Pl 175.05 00

PL 105.10 01 E Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Conspiracy -4th
Indictment Count9
Date Added04/05/2011 Covered By Pl 175.05 00


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Jason Stieglitz
next app. 9-5-12

155.40 00 C Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Grand Larceny 2nd
Indictment Count2
Date Added04/05/2011

PL 176.25 00 C Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Insurance Fraud 2nd: > $50000
Indictment Count4
Date Added04/05/2011

PL 105.10 01 E Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Conspiracy -4th
Indictment Count9
Date Added04/05/2011

PL 176.20 00 D Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Insurance Fraud 3rd>3000
Indictment Count5
Date Added04/05/2011

PL 175.10 00 E Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Falsify Busines Rcrds-1st
Indictment Count3
Date Added04/05/2011

PL 175.10 00
**TOP CHARGE** E Felony, 1 count, Not an arrest charge, Not an arraignment charge
Falsify Busines Rcrds-1st
Indictment Count1
Date Added04/05/2011

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Jason R. Stieglitz
next app. 9-5-12


PL 170.70 02
**TOP CHARGE** E Felony, 1 count, Arrest charge, Arraignment charge
Pos Of Veh Idnt No
Indictment Count1

I look at that and laugh guess you guys under estimate NY lawyers!You have to murder a girl scout to get put in jail hereLooks like Texas guy got rail roaded