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Wobble 10-16-2014 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by smokin' gun (Post 4202323)
well I can say this if I had a problem with any member on here # 1 I would not file a complaint without speaking to the seller first ...after all this is not ebay its a small community of guys that pretty much know each other mainly by talking to each other and offering advice and sometimes selling parts .so stiffing a guy with a bad part is hardly worth your name on here
# 2 I sell a lot on ebay mainly Harley parts well over $130.000 this year so I know how the system works ..I hate when pay pal gets involved they usually side with the buyer ive been there .so im sure when pay pal got involved he figured he was done (I know the feeling ) plus he says he was out of town at 1 point
# 3 the right thing would have been get his # and give him a call and work it out over the phone ..hell with rich ill bet you guys would have been talking for hours
boats and such
# 4 now im no commander sander cheerleader by any means .however he has bought parts from me I remember him buying power bolster seats from me said he would take them give me your bank of America acct # and ill make a dep in your acct he set up shipping told me take your time getting it ready for p/u .
another time he had an item on here for sale I wanted. however he needed some hyd steering parts and he knows I part boats so he shipped the part to me with the thought we would swap some stuff however I never got any ..he waited a year never asked once for his $450.00 until he recently parted out his 357
himself . you will find rich is a man of principle not a guy out to rip you off for a lousy $200
so I say give rich a call straighten it out put it in the past
just my 2 cents rant over

From what I read, seller did not respond in any way for two weeks. That is a red flag to me, you only have so much time to back out. Seller has to know there will be bad feedback. As a frequent buyer, I would have lost faith in the seller at that point. How hard is it to respond to an e-mail? They do it on the space station and in Antarctica. A good friend with a broken neck from a sprint car accident two weeks ago responded to my texted words of encouragement within 8 hours from his hospital bed.

When you list an item you assume an obligation to stay in touch. The buyer has established himself as "trustworthy" on e-bay with his 151 (100%+) rating. I say send him a prepaid return label and make the refund when shipper picks up.

daleroger 10-16-2014 10:21 AM

I tried to keep this private, ( see post #58 ), and did. Then commandersander decided to start this one sided bashing post. I didn't see it for a week and he and his buddies had a field day. When I posted the actual facts,( Post 58 ) they all went away, including him. It is on him to step up, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
It's STILL SIMPLE, REFUND MY MONEY, I SEND BACK THE INVERTER. YOU WENT PUBLIC WITH THIS, .Sorry to all the guys who are tired of reading this, I come here to buy and sell, and talk boats. This B.S. sucks !!

on a GOOD note ; I ordered a set of pushrods from JEGS at 6 pm , checked the FREE shipping box, they arrived at 12 noon, THE NEXT DAY ! Actually made my day.

donzi matt 10-16-2014 11:22 AM

I can't believe there is this much drama over 200 bucks. That is less than half a tank of fuel in most of our boats and less than most of us use in a weekend.

Send the guy back his $200 bucks. I don't see how it is about the principle of things when you delayed shipping and mistakenly forgot to ship a key component rendering the inverter useless.

commandersander 10-16-2014 04:31 PM

Icu came by today....told me this was something I should go back and look at....

So, I did....here I am.

Anyone here that has bought or sold with me has my phone number.....and many more.

Dale is not an exception.

Also, I am not saying he's a bad guy. I don't know him. I do know the following:

I took pictures as is/was and posted them. Not clean, not sand riddled, not doa.
I was late to ship, and as a gesture of apology for the delay, paid for the shipping and sent the receipt and tracking#
Two weeks later (I think this is where he is getting this time frame from) he writes that HE was on vacation....not me. Any of the mods can confirm whether or not I had a 2-week hiatus......
I meant to put "?" At the end of the "so I'll send the panel"......
No reply.
Meanwhile, I have an email in my home inbox dated prior to his contact to me post vacation disputing the charge.
Two days later, I have another showing the reversal of the funds. A week later I get another stating my account is being forwarded to collections.
Now, I tell dale that I am growing tired of him. He won't pay to ship back, shorted me on the initial pmt, I ate shipping and he's jerking me around with paypal. Yeah, growing tired.
I didn't start this as a bash fest, but more for candid conversation. It's the Bullsheet two story he's spewing now, and the runaround he gave me before I posted.

As far as dignity and principle, I hold myself at the highest standard. I'm on ebay too, same name....also 100%, also over 100 trans. Check it out....

At this point, from the paypal stunt and jack around over return don't return but you aren't paying.....umm.....how is it that you are out anything? I have the email stating the money was taken out and returned to you......I am in paypal collections......I'm out the inverter....and shipping......

Tell you what, I have a control panel for the xantrex for only 200usd! But don't send it to me, take it to Red Cross and email the receipt. You'll be helping someone at that point.....

daleroger 10-16-2014 05:42 PM

I meant to put "?" At the end of the "so I'll send the panel"......
No reply.

REALLY ????

This is direct from OSO pm log.


QUOTE=daleroger]You sent me a non-working, pos. I am not paying you money to send a non- working pos back to you. You paid the shipping because you failed to send the unit when you said you would twice. I have filed a resolution request with paypal, that I can cancel , or escalate it to a claim, and let them decide. I have also kept this deal off OSO, and between you and me. Send me the 200. and 25 for return shipping, and we are a done deal. My paypal is [email protected]. This is not my bad. I bought it in good faith, and you sent me an incomplete, non-working inverter. I'm not being unreasonable . Anyone on OSO that received this would not be happy, to say the least. Or, send me the control panel, your dime, if it works, we're done. If not, same deal on return / refund. All I want out of this is what I paid for, an inverter that woks. Or, ALL my money back, like it never happened.
Dale[/QUOTE]

So...I'll send you the control panel.

================================================== ==============================
From : commandersander
To : daleroger
Date : 2014-09-22 17:42
Title : Re: Control panel
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Originally Posted by daleroger
Please send it out today, and provide a tracking number.

Just seeing this.....
Out of town tomorrow......sending Wednesday......with photo as before....

daleroger 10-16-2014 06:08 PM

Sanders Quote "I took pictures as is/was and posted them. Not clean, not sand riddled, not doa."


THERE IS NO CONTROL PANEL !! IT DOESN'T WORK .

daleroger 10-16-2014 06:25 PM

Here is my paypal activity to date, copied from activity summary, Where do you see $200 returned to my account ?? It's really getting old you telling everyone I have my money back.
What possible reason could you have for not refunding after shipping me a non-working POS. ????


Completed

Statements
PayPal Extras MasterCard®
Plus card payment
Oct
06
2014

PayPal Extras MasterCard®
Plus card payment
-negative $35.00
USD

PayPal Extras MasterCard®
Plus card payment
Sep
04
2014

PayPal Extras MasterCard®
Plus card payment
-negative $50.00
USD

Rich Sander
Payment
Aug
26
2014
Rich Sander
Payment
-negative $200.00
USD

PayPal Extras MasterCard®
Plus card payment
Aug
05
2014

PayPal Extras MasterCard®
Plus card payment
-negative $25.00
USD

Jeg's Automotive, Inc
Payment
Jul
25
2014

Jeg's Automotive, Inc
Payment
-negative $5.99
USD

EBay - Goodwill of Silicon Valley
Payment
Jul
22
2014

eBay - Goodwill of Silicon Valley
Payment
-negative $14.58
USD
Shipped. Track Shipment

daleroger 10-16-2014 07:10 PM

Here is the paypal notification;;;

It's still simple Rich, refund the lousy 200, and I will return your inverter. I went private, you wanted it public, everyone is getting tired of this. I posted all the facts, perhaps you should reread them, READ IT ! You have the money, I have a pos.


Hello DALE EDINGER,

The dispute that you opened regarding payment to Rich Sander on Aug 26,
2014 (Transaction 85K456039D365183M) has automatically closed because it
has been open for more than 20 days.

-----------------------------------
Transaction Details
-----------------------------------


Seller's Name: Rich Sander
Seller's Email: [email protected]
Seller's Transaction ID: 7LG70180K1465970U

Transaction Date: Aug 26, 2014
Transaction Amount: -$200.00 USD
Your Transaction ID: 85K456039D365183M
Case Number: PP-003-401-724-134

Buyer's Transaction ID: 85K456039D365183M


We hope that the dispute has been resolved.

Thank you,

PayPal

SB 10-16-2014 07:13 PM

Someone needs to refund me the $200 worth of popcorn I ate reading this damn thread each night. Dammit !

Speedracer29 10-16-2014 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4204352)
Someone needs to refund me the $200 worth of popcorn I ate reading this damn thread each night. Dammit !

....and the required co-pay for the cardiologist visit. That movie theatre butter is a widowmaker.


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