2001 Top Gun T/S....$100k
04-02-2009 | 08:22 PM
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so what's the boat worth? the seller says he's firm at 100k. still seems like a bargin at or around that price. it wouldn't take much to bring that boat back to life. 50-60k to refurb.?????????????? no way, unless you want to send it back to lip ship. 10k on both motors and another 10k on misc. that's 20k tops and you have one nice boat.
04-02-2009 | 08:37 PM
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80 was out of my budget, but I tried to get it for less and would of sunk the money into it slowly to make it "presentable".
If the guy fixed it up pretty well, than it's worth 100K probably. As it sat, I don't think so. Given the timeframe since he bought and now, I don't think he's done much. The trailer if included, does add of course.
04-02-2009 | 08:44 PM
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i understand everyone now knows what this person paid for it but don't you think that is irrelivant? it doesn't matter what somone stole the boat for. if you didnt know it was purchased for 80k you would think it's a good deal and for a ts cig with merc power lip ship, i would say so. whoever bought the boat got a good deal, period. even at 100 it's alot cheaper than anything else out there.
04-02-2009 | 09:34 PM
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so what's the boat worth? the seller says he's firm at 100k. still seems like a bargin at or around that price. it wouldn't take much to bring that boat back to life. 50-60k to refurb.?????????????? no way, unless you want to send it back to lip ship. 10k on both motors and another 10k on misc. that's 20k tops and you have one nice boat.
Interior $6-7K not including logos from Cigarette. Hatch Logos are $975 each and smaller ones are around $500. This is for a cockpit and carpet with padding. Figure about double if the cabin vinyl also needs redone.
Engines, complete rebuild closer to $10K-$12K a motor boring them to 509s if you include new pumps, couplers, hoses, bilge pumps, starters, coils, plus wires, dyno time. Replacing everything, turn key back in the boat. Might as well upgrade them to 625 while you're in there. Maybe adds $1500 to the deal. Opps forgot the new props $1600 more.
Paint and gel work, unlimited, but $3-$5K doesn't go far at all, in fact that will about get the trailer rash cleaned up off the bottom, any real paint and gel work and your at $10K before you blink, replace rub rail $1K
No swim platform, a few more thousand.
Drive rebuilds? All the steering & tab rams ok? How much more life do the control cables & Indicator cables have in them? $250 a piece installed. I am betting all the gauges are faded and need replaced. What $3K more not including time to replace? How the headers holding up after 650 hours.
How is that electric door? They need rebuilt the tracks get f'ed up and the powder coat goes to hell in salt air. Speaking of powder coat, how are the rails around the hatch, bolster stands and dash & helm panels, they start to bubble even in good times due to electrolysis. So does the door frame.
$20K to bring it to a 10, no way unless it's an 8 already AND you don't need a complete rebuild the engines, just a refresh.
Oh and it doesn't say anything about a trailer but figure a minumum of $5k for a marginal trailer, $15-18K for a new myco?
Now you can do the work yourself and save if you have the talent. I speak from experience, been there done that own a couple of the t-shirts. Take the most amount of money you think it will possibly cost, double it and you'll come in a couple thousand over that.
To take a 6 or 7 boat and make it a 10 and I mean 10 you'll spend a minumum of $35K and probably closer to $45K with as new power.
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04-02-2009 | 10:52 PM
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Let me preface by saying I've not seen this boat so the following is not a comment on this boat, only redoing a cigarette in general.
Interior $6-7K not including logos from Cigarette. Hatch Logos are $975 each and smaller ones are around $500. This is for a cockpit and carpet with padding. Figure about double if the cabin vinyl also needs redone.
Engines, complete rebuild closer to $10K-$12K a motor boring them to 509s if you include new pumps, couplers, hoses, bilge pumps, starters, coils, plus wires, dyno time. Replacing everything, turn key back in the boat. Might as well upgrade them to 625 while you're in there. Maybe adds $1500 to the deal. Opps forgot the new props $1600 more.
Paint and gel work, unlimited, but $3-$5K doesn't go far at all, in fact that will about get the trailer rash cleaned up off the bottom, any real paint and gel work and your at $10K before you blink, replace rub rail $1K
No swim platform, a few more thousand.
Drive rebuilds? All the steering & tab rams ok? How much more life do the control cables & Indicator cables have in them? $250 a piece installed. I am betting all the gauges are faded and need replaced. What $3K more not including time to replace? How the headers holding up after 650 hours.
How is that electric door? They need rebuilt the tracks get f'ed up and the powder coat goes to hell in salt air. Speaking of powder coat, how are the rails around the hatch, bolster stands and dash & helm panels, they start to bubble even in good times due to electrolysis. So does the door frame.
$20K to bring it to a 10, no way unless it's an 8 already AND you don't need a complete rebuild the engines, just a refresh.
Oh and it doesn't say anything about a trailer but figure a minumum of $5k for a marginal trailer, $15-18K for a new myco?
Now you can do the work yourself and save if you have the talent. I speak from experience, been there done that own a couple of the t-shirts. Take the most amount of money you think it will possibly cost, double it and you'll come in a couple thousand over that.
To take a 6 or 7 boat and make it a 10 and I mean 10 you'll spend a minumum of $35K and probably closer to $45K with as new power.
Interior $6-7K not including logos from Cigarette. Hatch Logos are $975 each and smaller ones are around $500. This is for a cockpit and carpet with padding. Figure about double if the cabin vinyl also needs redone.
Engines, complete rebuild closer to $10K-$12K a motor boring them to 509s if you include new pumps, couplers, hoses, bilge pumps, starters, coils, plus wires, dyno time. Replacing everything, turn key back in the boat. Might as well upgrade them to 625 while you're in there. Maybe adds $1500 to the deal. Opps forgot the new props $1600 more.
Paint and gel work, unlimited, but $3-$5K doesn't go far at all, in fact that will about get the trailer rash cleaned up off the bottom, any real paint and gel work and your at $10K before you blink, replace rub rail $1K
No swim platform, a few more thousand.
Drive rebuilds? All the steering & tab rams ok? How much more life do the control cables & Indicator cables have in them? $250 a piece installed. I am betting all the gauges are faded and need replaced. What $3K more not including time to replace? How the headers holding up after 650 hours.
How is that electric door? They need rebuilt the tracks get f'ed up and the powder coat goes to hell in salt air. Speaking of powder coat, how are the rails around the hatch, bolster stands and dash & helm panels, they start to bubble even in good times due to electrolysis. So does the door frame.
$20K to bring it to a 10, no way unless it's an 8 already AND you don't need a complete rebuild the engines, just a refresh.
Oh and it doesn't say anything about a trailer but figure a minumum of $5k for a marginal trailer, $15-18K for a new myco?
Now you can do the work yourself and save if you have the talent. I speak from experience, been there done that own a couple of the t-shirts. Take the most amount of money you think it will possibly cost, double it and you'll come in a couple thousand over that.
To take a 6 or 7 boat and make it a 10 and I mean 10 you'll spend a minumum of $35K and probably closer to $45K with as new power.
Alot of us on this board have done that ( refurbished boats and/or at least put some work into the boat to try and bring it to a new level) .. and every single one of us will tell you we should've just spent a little more in the beginning and bought a turnkey boat already done !!! So if your looking at his boat at 100K move on and go make Wild an offer on his...you will be waaaaay ahead of the game and you can start to enjoy the boat immedialtey ! My .02
04-03-2009 | 08:16 AM
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All good points and I can attest to them all. These projects are ALWAYS underestimated. And, if the boat has to be brought back to pristine, as Tanner said it's much easier/cost effective to buy one that is currently in that shape.
When I looked at Wild's old boat, there was a small, and I mean SMALL, amount of dock rash on the starboard side. I asked Phil about repairing it and with no hesitiation he came back with $2500. Didn't bother me because I wanted it fixed but most people have no idea what that type of repair costs.
If you've got the time and money to dump into a boat that has sentimental value or some other significance, then that's different. But, there are too many boats that are in better shape and can be had for slightly more $$$$.
My worthless .02
04-03-2009 | 08:49 AM
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Sounds like the voice of experience, huh VB??
All good points and I can attest to them all. These projects are ALWAYS underestimated. And, if the boat has to be brought back to pristine, as Tanner said it's much easier/cost effective to buy one that is currently in that shape.
When I looked at Wild's old boat, there was a small, and I mean SMALL, amount of dock rash on the starboard side. I asked Phil about repairing it and with no hesitiation he came back with $2500. Didn't bother me because I wanted it fixed but most people have no idea what that type of repair costs.
If you've got the time and money to dump into a boat that has sentimental value or some other significance, then that's different. But, there are too many boats that are in better shape and can be had for slightly more $$$$.
My worthless .02
All good points and I can attest to them all. These projects are ALWAYS underestimated. And, if the boat has to be brought back to pristine, as Tanner said it's much easier/cost effective to buy one that is currently in that shape.
When I looked at Wild's old boat, there was a small, and I mean SMALL, amount of dock rash on the starboard side. I asked Phil about repairing it and with no hesitiation he came back with $2500. Didn't bother me because I wanted it fixed but most people have no idea what that type of repair costs.
If you've got the time and money to dump into a boat that has sentimental value or some other significance, then that's different. But, there are too many boats that are in better shape and can be had for slightly more $$$$.
My worthless .02
I love your F2 boat.
04-03-2009 | 08:52 AM
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Thanks, I'm kinda partial to it too, CR1!!! 
BTW, engines are on the ground as we speak. Adding a little "bling" factor. Billet pulley sets, repainting/powdercoating engines, intake manifolds and all the brackets, ARP 12 point stainless bolt kits, polishing all the stainless/aluminum. Hopefully it will be ready for the Tickfaw 200 on May 2nd.
BTW, engines are on the ground as we speak. Adding a little "bling" factor. Billet pulley sets, repainting/powdercoating engines, intake manifolds and all the brackets, ARP 12 point stainless bolt kits, polishing all the stainless/aluminum. Hopefully it will be ready for the Tickfaw 200 on May 2nd.
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04-03-2009 | 08:55 AM
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i understand everyone now knows what this person paid for it but don't you think that is irrelivant? it doesn't matter what somone stole the boat for. if you didnt know it was purchased for 80k you would think it's a good deal and for a ts cig with merc power lip ship, i would say so. whoever bought the boat got a good deal, period. even at 100 it's alot cheaper than anything else out there.
