Originally Posted by tcelano

Rik,

No doubt the Arneson setup will run faster with less power. The V's have to be sucking 60-70 hp or more just in rolling resistance when wound up high enough to achieve these speeds. Even with V's these boats will still be dragging gearcase too. My routine is showing 992 lb of drag per gearcase at 100 mph (set 3" below hull bottom). If I change the paramters for an Arneson setup, I'll probably see close what you are saying.

Did you do anything special to get bow lift your rigs, or do they go okay out of the box?

Originally Posted by BLee

Before you confuse yourself, & anyone else trying to learn about these boats in this thread, it's better if you don't try to compare the TS Cigarettes to the non-step Cigarettes. There's no comparison between the two hulls, so their characteristics are totally different from one another.

Non-step Top Guns run better & better, with more & more power. The non-step Guns I've been in with big power & drives, all ran MUCH smoother than the ones with small power & bravo or TRS drives. I haven't been in a non-step at any speed that felt like the boat was becoming a handful, and I've been in a few with 1000+hp & 6's. They're too big & heavy to "lighten up" enough to get out of control, unless the operator is REAL stupid.

You will not be able to put enough power in a non-step to make it fast enough to become unstable. It would take substantial power to make one even kind of fast, so you're safe putting as much as 1200hp in if you wanted to. The more power you have in a non-step, the better the boat will ride.

Originally Posted by Rik

Not a thing. For some reasons everyone is under the illusion that the Arnesons are going to do something negative whereas the truth is totally opposite. Straight out of the box, they perform awesome and I for one am amazed when they tell me the speeds after reading how slow the other out-drives propel these same boats.

Originally Posted by tcelano

Rik, not trying to say anything negative whatsoever about Arnesons. My impression was simply that high-x drives and arnesons are usually suited best to stepped hulls and cats which don't need a lot of bow lift. I figured that a big old straight bottom might need some help carrying the nose. If you say it works, I believe you. What prop rake angle do you recommend on a big heavy straight bottom rig?

Originally Posted by cig92

32 pitch 5 blade maximus. 5600-5700 rpm so far, will turn 6200. haven't done much prop testing but i can tell you some just wont work at all. the first set of 4 blades would blow out at 60 mph. it felt like a tranny let loose. the motors dynoed at 1175 hp and we detuned them to just under 1000 hp. it has been a great boat and loves the power.

Originally Posted by rumrunner29

I am curious though, you said that big power guns are smoother than small power bravo or trs boats. How does the ride and attitude compare between the trs/bravo boats and bigger power SSM boats?

Originally Posted by Maelstrom TG38

I am also very curious of what you said...how can it be possible? because you can better control the nose by putting less trim or by throtelling like saccenti magic arm ?