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Thursday Lunch Run
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps43e4eb5d.jpg Buzz around the harbor Sat evening! Thanks for the pic JayBoat!! http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps78ff918f.jpg |
Go Pro video of Key West!! Be sure to switch it to 1080P on youtube!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEXn9gBiGBU |
nice video! wish we could hear a little more the engines roaring!!!
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Nice video
Motors sounded real healthy from shore when you went by in Key West. |
Originally Posted by kvogt
(Post 4028962)
Nice video
Motors sounded real healthy from shore when you went by in Key West. |
Originally Posted by mmb
(Post 4028968)
Thanks!! Wish I would have know you were there would like to put a face to the name. Maybe I will get to see your badass Cig down there next year!!
Looks like great boating in the Keys but I don't want to put it in salt. Kris |
Quit it, you;re making us look bad!
Or at least you are doing a good job of making us jealous.... |
Originally Posted by kvogt
(Post 4029314)
It would have been nice to meet you also.
Looks like great boating in the Keys but I don't want to put it in salt. Kris I can appreciate that!! We had a fresh water hose at our slip and literally were flushing the engines with fresh water and salt away 30 seconds after pulling into our slip every time we took the boat out!! |
Originally Posted by frickstyle
(Post 4029354)
Quit it, you;re making us look bad!
Or at least you are doing a good job of making us jealous.... lol here is another motivational picture for you buddy!! http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9e8c002e.jpg |
Originally Posted by mmb
(Post 4029397)
lol here is another motivational picture for you buddy!!
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9e8c002e.jpg |
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MMB,
Do your Konrads act as a surface drive? If I remember, you have the SSM3 replacement? What props are you running? Prop Slip at 5500? Speed at 5500 RPM? Top speed / RPM? Thanks! That picture is great! Boat looks sweet! |
Originally Posted by frickstyle
(Post 4038011)
MMB,
Do your Konrads act as a surface drive? If I remember, you have the SSM3 replacement? What props are you running? Prop Slip at 5500? Speed at 5500 RPM? Top speed / RPM? Thanks! That picture is great! Boat looks sweet! Thanks!! My Konrads are 2" below they do not act like a surface drive at all, I get a tiny rooster trimed out to the max. Yes they are the 3A Replacement drive. As far as I understand about Konrads these are the absolute stongest verion of the 540 drive you can buy. I was running Hydromotive 5 blades but it was pure hell getting on plane with them. I switched to a Bravo 1 32P and it jumps right up on plane now! The speed is the same as the Hydro's The Boat will run 90mph at 5000-5200 rpms depending on fuel level. I have not ran it to top speed yet, but these are the props that came with the boat and they would go 6,000 rpm no problems with the old power. I am guessing I could turn them to right at 6500 with the new power if I wanted to. My prop slip according to the online calcs is 12-14% I have to say everyone doubted these Konrads (including me lol) but they are holding up just fine so far!! |
Gotcha, thanks for the info. Any intentions of moving to a 34 pitch prop or would you think that's a little too hard on those drives? You are making about 850 ft lbs of torque, correct?
Anyone know what props Hot for Teacher is running? |
-Thought I'd jump in here since I had installed the Konrads on your boat when Robert owned it. It was the very first SSMIII conversion we had done and all work/testing was done with Mack Morris at Doller Offshore. At the time, the boat had 600hp 540's in it. The standard length 540 lowers raised the propshaft height 1.78: over the SSM III for a height of 3.5" below the bottom. As a result of the increased height, it gained about 2 mph. (got notes on my old pc) We then installed shorty Konrad X-Factor lowers wich raised the propshaft height another 1.78" The boat did not like the shafts that high at all, slip went though the roof, 40% or so. It was horrible. I then installed 1" spacers and slip dropped to 25%.. still rediculous and speeds were not there. Installed 2" spacers and slip went back down to 12%.
Wat we learned during this excersise was straight bottom 'Guns do not like shaft heights above 3.5", all testing at heights above this yielded negative results. The increase over the SSMIII was a benefit Of a couple mph and the ability to run readily available Bravo style props.. -Glad you have enjoyed great sucess with the drives, it clear you know how to drive the boat but keep in mind, max rated power level is 800hp. |
Originally Posted by Biggus
(Post 4038053)
-Thought I'd jump in here since I had installed the Konrads on your boat when Robert owned it. It was the very first SSMIII conversion we had done and all work/testing was done with Mack Morris at Doller Offshore. At the time, the boat had 600hp 540's in it. The standard length 540 lowers raised the propshaft height 1.78: over the SSM III for a height of 3.5" below the bottom. As a result of the increased height, it gained about 2 mph. (got notes on my old pc) We then installed shorty Konrad X-Factor lowers wich raised the propshaft height another 1.78" The boat did not like the shafts that high at all, slip went though the roof, 40% or so. It was horrible. I then installed 1" spacers and slip dropped to 25%.. still rediculous and speeds were not there. Installed 2" spacers and slip went back down to 12%.
Wat we learned during this excersise was straight bottom 'Guns do not like shaft heights above 3.5", all testing at heights above this yielded negative results. The increase over the SSMIII was a benefit Of a couple mph and the ability to run readily available Bravo style props.. -Glad you have enjoyed great sucess with the drives, it clear you know how to drive the boat but keep in mind, max rated power level is 800hp. Thanks Biggus! One thing though this boat was rigged with the 3A's set up at 3.5" Below. (Very High for a 3A) & confirmed it with Barry the owner before Robert. I measured the Konrads with the help from Jamie (Lil Red) and they are at 2" below right now, maybe a hair less. I was thinking about switching to a Number 5 but we figgured out that I would need to lower the engines to make the number 5 work. Frick - I have not palyed with props yet, I like the way the boat runs right now and we built the engines to run to 6,000 rpm. |
Cool, great info guys.
I will be happy when mine idles, just dreaming for now, long winter ahead..... |
Originally Posted by frickstyle
(Post 4038075)
Cool, great info guys.
I will be happy when mine idles, just dreaming for now, long winter ahead..... |
Originally Posted by mmb
(Post 4038082)
Just keep at it brother!! You are going to have one of the nicest classic guns on the planet when it's done!! Plus you will forget about all the headaches on the first boat ride I promise!!
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great refresh thread really enjoyed the detailed pics of the process, these are some great classic boats in my opinon.
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Originally Posted by frickstyle
(Post 4038045)
Gotcha, thanks for the info. Any intentions of moving to a 34 pitch prop or would you think that's a little too hard on those drives? You are making about 850 ft lbs of torque, correct?
Anyone know what props Hot for Teacher is running? |
Originally Posted by HUSTLEthis
(Post 4045571)
We run 17 1/2 x 37 ....but we also run the 1.62 gear ratio
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Originally Posted by mmb
(Post 4045699)
That is badass!! What is your top speed?
we turn around 5200 rpm's at 105....so a little faster than that....:):) oh, and that was with seven people on board...of course it was very flat too |
That is just a Beautiful Azz end!!!
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nice rear end shot!!!!
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Had a new Travel Cover made for the boat!! Tim at Florida Boat Tops made the cover & it fits like a glove!! Very happy with it, here is Tim's number if anyone needs a cover made! 727-525-7733
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps84e8ba31.jpg Travel Mode!! http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...psf97bf7d5.jpg Sleep Mode! http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...psb40f380d.jpg |
even while towing?????
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Yes Sir! It was made to be on while towing! It fits super tight.
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The front portion of the cover, is it one piece and it slides over the bow or is there a zipper? Velcro? The guy did a nice job, looks awesome. I'm having one made for my Bullet in the spring. What type of material did he use? Thanks
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The cover slips over the bow up to the bow stop. Below the bow stop has a zipper with a velcro flap.
Its made from sunbrella marine material, he has a soft material sewn onto the underside of the cover to protect the paint. |
That's sweet. Does it break down into a mooring cover (windshield to the transom)?
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No it does not break down to a cockpit cover... But the cockpit cover stays folded up and will last a lot longer now!
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Originally Posted by mmb
(Post 3861100)
Well that pretty much brings us up to today!!
Detailed the bilge, figured out what hoses need to be replaced etc.. Need to refinish the tops of my sea strainers too.... http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps094603ad.jpg |
Originally Posted by mmb
(Post 3863837)
I had a nice phone conversation with Tommy from Chief. He is standing behind his work 150% and he is taking care of everything.
He is a stand up guy!! Thank you for stepping in and helping out! |
Originally Posted by mmb
(Post 3903249)
Some Pics from last nights session!! While we are waiting for the new Lifter Spray Bars to get machined and installed on the blocks. I am putting the heads together.
I took all the heads to Joe Irwin at Fast Forward. He wanted to check all the guide clearances even though Dart just installed new guides in the heads. Turns out Joe's hunch was right!! He thought the new guides would be a little tight for a 4000-5000rpm endurance Marine engine. Joe ended up Resizing all the guides in both sets of heads!! All I can say is they feel silky smooth now compared to what Dart had them at!! Awesome!! http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6bbdf4d3.jpg Heads cleaned and all the valves installed with some lube in the guides http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps53699273.jpg Double Checked my Spring Micrometer before setting up the heads! Springs will be installed at 1.900" Install Height http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...psca61e2f1.jpg Setting up The springs heights with the correct amount of shims http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps92f30ffb.jpg http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...psa66351a0.jpg Again http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4ae5b030.jpg All the valves Set and ready to install seals & springs http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps942885fa.jpg Installing the screw on seals! I remove the spring and install it last. Otherwise it gets messed up when your screwing the seal on. http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps64aa2484.jpg Springs on the seals installed. You can see the valve spring seats and shims pretty good in this pic too! http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps726521e0.jpg All the seals installed & ready for valve springs http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps062470df.jpg Checking retainer to seal clearance on the exhaust. Cams are right at .650 lift so we are all good! http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...psa068e27e.jpg Retainer to Seal clearance on the intake. http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8c385a3c.jpg Installing the springs with the spring compressor. http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps166f438f.jpg Spring compressed & ready for the valve locks http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...psc9f2defa.jpg Springs Installed http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9c74296c.jpg http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...psffa1dbb7.jpg http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5462ec14.jpg This post has me thinking because its not the first time I have heard about an OEM not producing at the high quality level required. Why not ship the heads to Bob Madera to machine and rebuild complete? thanks |
Originally Posted by stimleck
(Post 4204088)
did you repaint that bilge or did it already look that good
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Originally Posted by stimleck
(Post 4204107)
I cant believe I missed this thread originally, its one of teh best. I really admire your knowledge and skill.
This post has me thinking because its not the first time I have heard about an OEM not producing at the high quality level required. Why not ship the heads to Bob Madera to machine and rebuild complete? thanks I like to assemble my own stuff so I know it's right. If the heads ever need work again Joe From Fast Forward Race Engines will do all the machine work to the heads not Dart.... Joe had to resize the new guides that Dart installed anyways because they were to tight for Marine use. |
Originally Posted by stimleck
(Post 4204094)
I'm not surprised to hear about his response as he is a great guy, out of curiosity what was the issue?
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I sold that rig new. Platinum Series. 525 Hawks (420 Mercs with B&Ms) TRS. Chris
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