He messes up Jet ski builds too.... right 315 rider???

Some clarification, dmax went Saturday to try and buy the boat but the salesman said no it's got a deposit on it, that's when dmax got back on here calling the guy a prick.. The owner of the marina was skeptical of a survey and when dmax showed back up Monday with a printed copy of this thread to try and convince the owner I might flake, the owner finally gave in because he didn't want to winterized it a second time.. Salesman actually seems like a straight shooter, it's the owner that let the deal fall out of my hands..

I wouldn't change a thing on how I went about this purchase, I've been burned enough buying things without researching them.. I'm not going to fork out 20k and hope the boat isn't some of Japanese tsunami remnants and deal with the consequences then.. When a dealer sends me a copy of the invoice in my name with a deposit and says congratulations on your first Cigarette, it seems like you can trust that they'll give you at the very least a chance to come get it first.. I never had the option, and just want to make that known.

Thats a fukked up way of doing buisness, if you had paperwork then you have reason to bash away...

Wow, if that's true, that's really not cool on either of their parts.. You did the right thing here. You asked for help on how to protect yourself. Several of us recommended getting a survey.. If that scares the seller; that's the biggest red flag there is. There were a few posters on the FB page that claimed that boat sank... I have no idea if that's true or not, but if it is, there's reason #1 why they didn't want you to survey the boat. If I were you, I'd be counting my lucky stars that this deal fell through... There's so much about this thing that smells bad, I think you really are the winner here...

Pbss where the boat was posted for sale immediately after it was bought. Lol

For a little tid bit that seems to be of topic here.....Yes, there is a big difference between marine and regular plywood. But, if you search a little here, you'll see plenty, and maybe even a pro, don't always use marine ply when replacing transoms. Not the cheap knotty stuff, but the higher grade with more plys, such as the accuply (sp?) And none of that exterior ply either. As long as it's sealed, you'd be good to go, according to most, and the pros too, water seeping in is what rots the wood, not the type of wood. Carry on

Ahh are you the guy that sucked me into the plywood thing?

US1 most might agree that regular ply would be adequate and assuming that none of the 30 to 40 holes you are going to drill into your transom are going to leak . It only takes one badly sealed hole to ruin a transom . True marine ply is usually more plys and assembled with waterproof glue so that should a hole leak there is less chance the water will migrate throughout the structure as quickly or completely as it would in reg ply . Better material done properly usually equals better result .
Again just my opinion.
RG.

Marine ply the good stuff has two more layers then cdx or ac for that matter also has less voids between layers....quarter in max on any voids.....cdx is yellow pine....ac has fur on outside layers and marine ply usually mohogiany on outside ....good marine ply 3/4 cost about 150a sheet where ac costs about 45...I would never do a repair with anything less then marine ply

Man O Man, just read this this morning I am on the fence a little bit about this one, I almost get a tear in my eye for FW as I can understand the pain you are in right now, but experience has taught me one thing, this is probably going to end up better for you in the long run that's for sure.

As for the parties involved in this, dealer is shady not how business should be done, I would not do business with anyone like that. What I think he should have done was called you, told you he had someone hot to buy and gave you a couple days to come up with the cash or move on, sounds to me like a desperate dealer low on funds needed the dough fast.

As for Duradude well his actions pretty much sum him up.

Now as far as the boat goes, if I were you I would not lose any sleep over this one. If you start adding up what this one needs in repairs from what I can gather you could most likely buy a loved well taken care of turn key Cigarette with a minimal boat payment that will keep you happy for years to come. You know nothing about these engines or drives with a dealer like this you have no idea what this boat needs.

I have redone a couple boats in my time, they start out as small projects and then poof $30K later your like WTF happened....Here is an example I redid a Supra ski boat last year for my kids thought I was going to put like 3k-5k in boat almost 9k later boat is almost done!!!.I am sure there is many OSO member's who can tell you there small fixer upper jobs that put them in the poor house.

Now as far as deals go, I just bought OSO member Sean's OLD 1987 Café Racer he sold it 2-3 years ago something like that not sure exactly, if you follow this boat on OSO you will find Sean loved this Café redid boat updated engines and drives to the tune of $70,000.00 then sold. It is not in the condition Sean sold it in, but it will be, I will be redoing interior and getting her all shinned up again. I paid $35,000.00 for this Café..........

So the one you were looking at $19,000.00 may seem like a great deal, but was it really? Probably not after all repairs are done.

These old boats as neat as they are just do not bring the cash they used to.

You will find the right boat just keep looking