Maybe if you re-word it we could understand what you're getting at.

I meant identical.......not similar......identical.....right down to the crease in the sides......

Just wondering if there were ANY differences......technically speaking.

BTW....I know Ajac Hawk is a 37'6".......

There's precious little difference between any of them. As I said before they're all 24 degree deadrise and all about the same length/width proportion. Scarabs aren't not pops or splashes though, if that's what you mean. The Scarab does have less freeboard (distance from rubrail to chine).

i know a 38 scarab is a little wider than 38 cig

The Scarab evolution the way I saw it. It was an alternative to the Cigarette. It came out before the 38` Bertrams etc. The Scarabs were similar in looks to the Cigs but that`s where it ended, The boats drove and trimmed totally different, The Scarab ran much flatter than the Cigs. had much less rocker etc. The big difference was that they were much lighter than the Cigs, for the fact that Larry incorporated some of the first high tech building techniques in the industry, he was hooked up with the Calif. crowd who were into building Americas cup boats etc. Larry was probably one of the first offshore powerboat builders to use vaccum bag techniques, as well as various composite materials and one of the first to use Kevlar. He first used Kevlar in his 29` Scarabs and dominated the stock and modified classes over the 28` Cigs and 27` Magnums. Larry was one of the first to put an all girl team together, and won an APBA US1 championship. One of my first Scarabs was entirely built with a special weave Kevlar that was very fine like finish cloth. Bottom line is that the Scarabs vs. Cigs of the time were 5 mph faster, and with the right teams KAMA, Mich light, etc. they kicked ass. Larry Smith is one of the greats of the industry and should be recognised for his part in history of offshore. I rank him with Aronow, Kiekhaefer, Arneson, Strang/OMC. etc. He is a great friend and always worked close with people like myself, he is always the first to give credit to the T-Man and crew and note there importance in a winning team. Give the man his due !!!!!!! 7XCHAMP

7x, very well put and thankyou for the history lesson.

Thank you Sir.......that's exactly what I was looking for.

Here's a couple of Larry Smith boats I posed in the Cig 35 section yesterday.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/a...6&d=1197926800

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/a...7&d=1197926887

The second boat says it was a two time winner of the Harmsworth trophy as well as the Catalina Ski Race.

Richie,I'm agree on what you say speaking of the Scarabs of Larry Smith, grant me however only two corrections to give justice to the Bertrams;
Bertram built the first 38' in 1974(Whittaker Moppie of Sammy James),three years before the appearance of the first Scarab 38' in a offshore competition(Kaama of Betty Cook).
Besides always a Bertram 38' it was the first boat in OP1 built in Kevlar 49 of the Du Pont; it treated of the Copper Kettle of Sandy Satullo in the 1976.