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captaintyler 10-25-2011 08:16 PM

More Pictures!
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Fast Shafts 10-25-2011 08:41 PM

WOW! Looks GREAT!!

mr vinyl 10-25-2011 10:08 PM

That is the way it is done
 
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Now you see what goes on in a complete restoration.You have done a fantastic job,hopefully we will me up next year when yours is done and my 29'9" Magnum is also completed.BEAUTIFUL...BEAUTIFUL JOB .BUD

dammmagnum 10-25-2011 10:41 PM

What a work of art and labor of love

Great looking.

Thank you
Jim

24degrees 10-26-2011 12:19 AM

You are my hero.

AIR TIME 10-27-2011 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by captaintyler (Post 3325478)

love the name, love the garage idea. wish I could do it ,but my boat would stick out 10 ft haha ha. oh I have a cover it garage but they already cut a hole in it in 07 and took my drives/steering and a lot of other stuff. now I have it alarmed, but will not leave the new boat here. Art

AIR TIME 10-27-2011 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by captaintyler (Post 3325550)
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Here are the mockup engine vents to replace the original. They are contoured to follow the curve of the deck. The originals were to boxy and didn't fit the lines of the boat. I had the frames water jetted out of stainless and will fit perforated stainless material inside them.

water jetting parts is that part of your work? or did you find a place to do it, cause I could use some brackets for my power steering /alt set up. we did some mods but, I would like to make to brackets to put my steering on other side of motor. and make a better bracket for alt.we did a new gas tank in the saber I bought 2 yrs ago and now that were testing ,I might need to put one up in the cockpit for weight. we maybe azz heavy.:eek:. thanks Art

AIR TIME 10-27-2011 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by captaintyler (Post 3325567)
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The original 292 engines are going to be used. They only had 170 original hours but have been completly redone. They should be close 275 to 300 hp with the mods that have been done. Not real big numbers but a big improvement above the original 200 hp stock.

wow thats great.

AIR TIME 10-27-2011 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by h2oboater (Post 3326210)
[I'm a little undecided about the windshield. I've been playing around with some old school chriscraft brackets but I can't seem to find ones with the correct angle. I looked into having an original style windshield built but for the cost of a new one I think I can come up with something much better with more style. I'm shooting for a mix of the classic chris craft / garwood runabout with sleek mordern styling]

Here is the windshield that I remember on the 28' Bertram.

any thoughts on a race fairing like the 38s small.

captaintyler 10-27-2011 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by AIR TIME (Post 3537997)
water jetting parts is that part of your work? or did you find a place to do it, cause I could use some brackets for my power steering /alt set up. we did some mods but, I would like to make to brackets to put my steering on other side of motor. and make a better bracket for alt.we did a new gas tank in the saber I bought 2 yrs ago and now that were testing ,I might need to put one up in the cockpit for weight. we maybe azz heavy.:eek:. thanks Art

Art, I had the parts water jetted at a place in Ellsworth, ME. They did a great job and were very reasonable. I paid $115 for the four vents which also included the material and shipping to my house. If your interested I can find the phone number. To bad about your drives. I think I'll be putting to Baron back in the garage so I can finish the interior and paint the bottom. This time I'll have to enclose the entire bow to protect the new paint. My next garage will be 36' deep. Temps are getting too cold to work on it. They are talking about getting some light snow here tonight.

endeavour32 10-27-2011 06:25 PM

Very impressive restoration! You're doing beyond a great job! Keep the pic's coming.

pqlal789qreo 10-27-2011 07:49 PM

That flooring is gorgeous! How about some more details and photos....


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MAGISTER31 10-27-2011 09:39 PM

Simply amazing! This will be awesome to see when it is finished.

bobo1 10-28-2011 03:38 PM

You will need a condom when this is finished!:circle:

vintage chromoly 10-28-2011 08:36 PM

fantastic job! you are an inspiration to me and my project! keep up the good work!

socalstone 10-28-2011 09:18 PM

Fantastic resto. keep the photos coming. gorgeous boat! love the stripes flared front and back. the woodwork is beautiful.

Nauti Kitty 11-02-2011 05:29 PM

Cool azz boat Well done so far.

NK

f_inscreenname 11-03-2011 12:02 AM

Kind of a little late but......
The 19' 1970 Monza Marine I'm restoring now has the same (almost) motor vents that your awesome restore has. They may give you an idea.

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captaintyler 11-06-2011 05:26 PM

This weekend I've put the Baron back in the garage for the winter. This will enable me to finish the interior at my leisure and make sure its ready for next summer. I've also removed the trailer this winter so I can prep the bottom for paint. It was more of a job than I thought it would be but its finished. Getting it back on the trailer in the spring should be a treat but I'm hoping I come up with a better system than floor jacks and blocking. Does anybody know of any gloss white paint that can be used on boat bottoms. I looking for a glossy white to match the deck. It currently has a thin layer of dull white paint that is all cracked and chipping and has been there for 30+ years. I can't seem to find a suitable paint in the color white. Any help would be great.

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captaintyler 11-06-2011 05:30 PM

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vintage chromoly 11-07-2011 06:35 PM

nice shelter job! now you are in the fun part of the restoration.

Knot 4 Me 11-09-2011 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by captaintyler (Post 3543859)
This weekend I've put the Baron back in the garage for the winter. This will enable me to finish the interior at my leisure and make sure its ready for next summer. I've also removed the trailer this winter so I can prep the bottom for paint. It was more of a job than I thought it would be but its finished. Getting it back on the trailer in the spring should be a treat but I'm hoping I come up with a better system than floor jacks and blocking. Does anybody know of any gloss white paint that can be used on boat bottoms. I looking for a glossy white to match the deck. It currently has a thin layer of dull white paint that is all cracked and chipping and has been there for 30+ years. I can't seem to find a suitable paint in the color white. Any help would be great.

Too late now but I would have thought you would have flipped the boat and re-gel coated the bottom before doing work to the deck and hull. I'm not sure any paint will do well below the water line for any length of time. You might put a thread in the Fiberglass forum and see what GlassDave has to say.

BajaDan 11-09-2011 07:39 AM

I have heard of some great benefits to applying an epoxy barrier coat (Interlux and others) to the bottom prior to painting. Especially if you plan on leaving the boat in the water for any length of time. If you're going to do the bottom anyway, you may want to consider this. Particularly since you have spared nothing to date to make this restoration perfect. Great job and I have enjoyed reading about it.

Dan

captaintyler 11-09-2011 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 3545693)
Too late now but I would have thought you would have flipped the boat and re-gel coated the bottom before doing work to the deck and hull. I'm not sure any paint will do well below the water line for any length of time. You might put a thread in the Fiberglass forum and see what GlassDave has to say.

The bottom is in great shape with just a few small blisters and I wouldn't be painting it if it wasn't for the above water paint turning out so well. Now the bottom looks like it needs attention to match the rest of the boat. I wish it was never painted to begin with but I can't do anything about that now. Atleast it only has a single coat of paint that is very thin. I don't have the equipment to flip over a boat this size nor the garage space to work on it. The boat will be used in fresh water and not left in the water for any longer than a day or two at a time so antifouling paint is not needed. I just want to get it looking clean and not have to redo it in the near future.
Has anyone had experience using Supermarine Revolution SM 1000. It sounds great on their website but I would like to get some real life reviews on it before I go through the hassle of using it and having peel off in a year. All other glossy types of paint don't recommend using below the waterline.

endeavour32 11-09-2011 04:17 PM

Look into this.
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bobo1 11-09-2011 06:30 PM

I have just re-read this thread and i think you are related to houdini! Can't say enough about it. Awesome! "Save the Bertrams" should be in a class of its own!

AIR TIME 11-10-2011 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by captaintyler (Post 3538076)
Art, I had the parts water jetted at a place in Ellsworth, ME. They did a great job and were very reasonable. I paid $115 for the four vents which also included the material and shipping to my house. If your interested I can find the phone number. To bad about your drives. I think I'll be putting to Baron back in the garage so I can finish the interior and paint the bottom. This time I'll have to enclose the entire bow to protect the new paint. My next garage will be 36' deep. Temps are getting too cold to work on it. They are talking about getting some light snow here tonight.

thanks, we are testing the saber now. but have issues with the balance of the hull it looks with the tranny in the ext box and gas tank behind the seat ,to much bow lift:evilb:. going back out this sunday for the last time I think. art

MOP 11-19-2011 08:45 AM

First time looking at the thread, an absolutely great job. Will be back to see the beautiful finished boat!

Congrats!

Phil

vette131 11-20-2011 09:33 AM

amazing work!!

Dirty Pearl 11-22-2011 09:17 AM

I am very impressed with your wood work. I am building a 28 Maltese. I wanted the old school flavor as well. I used a lot of teak trim, but your Baron's interior is outstanding.

captaintyler 01-21-2012 09:39 AM

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Work has been very slow on the Baron. Who ever said that two children are no more work than one lied to me. Its hard to get anything done with a 7 month old in the house.

We just received the parts from the chromers. They did a great job. The only item that couldn't be chromed were the Bertram emblems, so I'll have to purchase some stainless ones to replace them. The missing fuel gauge was also found in Georgia to complete the set of gauges. As a bonus it also came with a matching Hour Meter that was only a few hours over the original gauge. I have been slowly wiring up the stereo that will consist of 4-7" speakers and 2- 10" subs hidden under the rear bench seat. It will all be powered by a 600w 5 channel amp. I'll get some pictures when it's all installed. I have also been trying to get a set of prop hubs machined to allow the old drives to use modern props. The prop shaft is a 17 spline 1-1/8" dia that is next to impossible to find props for. If the hubs can't be made I'll have the shafts turned down to 1" and cut to a 15 spline pattern. My goal is to have it in the water this spring.

Steve H 01-22-2012 03:40 PM

Awesome project. What mods were done to the motors to get more power from them? I know nothing about these older straight six's, and would love to hear some details.

Steve

captaintyler 02-08-2012 09:11 PM

I've started refinishing all the aluminum rub rails and trim. I started by stripping all the old anodizing off the parts. This was done by soaking for 3-4 minutes in a 190 degree bath of 1 part Phosphoric acid to 4 parts water. I was amazed at how quick the coating came off although it was a struggle to soak a 16' long section of rub rail. All the parts have been stripped and now I'm in the middle of polishing everything. After everything is polished I'll apply a coat of Sharkhide clear protectant.
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This is what I came up with to soak the long lengths of rubrail. It work well except I didn't factor in the temperature of the solution softening the pvc pipe and causeing it to warp and bend.
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This is a picture of the rubrail after stripping the anodizing and the finished product all polished up.
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Here is a picture of the lower dash switch panel. It was covered with small pits but I was able to sand them out and still retain the engraved switch labels.

f_inscreenname 02-08-2012 10:18 PM

Sweet work. What are you using to polish with?

ApacheKid 02-10-2012 08:36 PM

Awesome!!, If You get in a pinch, contact "Speedmasters" in North Fla., Gaylan still has his race boat, restored it a few years back when he moved up there, The only Original Race one out there so far!, Keep in touch, We're all trying to get a Offshore Museum going somewhere by 188th!!, In the next few years, It would make a nice "Loner" display. Check the Miami Boat show next week!, Safety Symposium on Feb 18th!, A Must Attend!, Get Heard!!, Your Voice/ Ideas Matter!, contact Lisa Mathews on FB for Details!, Fountain Bleau loks like venue so far, Help Save/ Improve Our Sport!!, Before We Don't Have One!!, Pass the Word!! Thanks!!! Live View/Call in maybe by date, not confirmed yet....

captaintyler 02-12-2012 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by f_inscreenname (Post 3613119)
Sweet work. What are you using to polish with?

I'm using a 1/2 hp bench top buffer with a spiral sewn wheel and tripoli compond for the first cut. The final buff I'm using loose section wheel with white rouge compond. I finish it off with a little Mother's posilish applied by hand.

livnluce 02-12-2012 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by captaintyler (Post 3598251)

Work has been very slow on the Baron. Who ever said that two children are no more work than one lied to me. Its hard to get anything done with a 7 month old in the house.

2 kids are more than twice as much work as one! I always tease my friends with one kid that they are just "hobby parenting".

Nik

captaintyler 03-03-2012 06:22 PM

I have the dash all assembled and installed. I've applied a couple coats of west systems to the wood then followed it up by 8 coat of varnish then compounded and polished to a mirror finish. You can also see the windshield is beginning to be installed but I need to polish the edges before it is finalized. Hopefully I have more pictures to come soon!
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Too Stroked 03-03-2012 07:13 PM

Every part of that boat that you've touched so far looks awesome. Quality workmanship is the result of planning, hard work and love. Your boat shows a ton of all of them. Keep up the good work!

Yoda_Man 03-03-2012 09:05 PM

Nice work


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