With or without a trailer- xransom assemblys and drives?

Well the OO1 ZRC refurb is officially on. Jerry Haney's shop in NC is doing the project and will be converting 001 from a side-by-side bravo application to a staggered with ASD-7's.

Should be fun. I'll keep you posted.

Good luck on the project! You going to put the Ilmor's in?

Thank you,

Yes, I figure the 710's and Arnesons should be a pretty bullet-proof combo.

Jerry took the Ilmors out of the Fountain and took everything back to NC about two weeks ago.

I think your figuring correctly! Great combo.

Sweet.

UD

What do you hope for top end? Is 120 there? Sweet ASD's

Are you selling the Fountain? If so what would you want without the power?

Shooting for 105 +. The more it goes over that the happier I will get. I don't think 120 is realistic but I sure wouldn't complain if it got anywhere near that.

Yea I just listed it in the classifieds for $39,900 complete with drives on a Pacific trailer. - just needs power and exhaust. In the process of uploading photos.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o43031-en.html

FIXED

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Fixed, thanks for pointing that out.

Didn't you just recently put the 700's into the beak?

I bought the 710's last fall and was just about finished having them rigged in the Fountain when I ran across this ZRC. Wish I could have made this deal about 6 months earlier but oh well. I've always wanted a ZRC for a pure poker run boat and this one should fit the bill.

So you have decided "Not to Beak" :lolhit:

That's going to be a Suweeet combination!

Good one :)

I can't wait to see it running with the 710's and Arnesons!

Bulletproof package!

You should see 110-115 all day long without being propped specifically for top end. They did some minor tweaks on the next few boats to increase the speed so 120 is probably not a real number, however I have been wrong before.
It is not really about top speed anyway, not too many boats that run 5-10mph faster than it will be able to run with it in the real world. It accelerates like a demon and runs like its on rails!
How often to we peg the throttles to squeeze out those last 3-5mph anyway?
If you pull along side another boat at 70mph, drop the throttle and walk away from them..... does it matter if they are faster in the top end?
They will be playing catch up and by the time they get there, you will be backing off the throttles smiling from ear to ear!

Fountain's 38 and cabin with 700 Merc ran 114 if I remember. Work the bottom/Herrings and bet you'll be close > 120.

I'd be happy as heck with 110 or better.

I spoke with Doug Valentine last week and he remembers the boat fondly and well. Doug won a bunch of races in ZRC's both here in the US and in Europe. He said when they took 001 to the Miami boat show they hadn't run it in rough water and really didn't know what they had. They took it out for a some demo rides in some big Atlantic ocean water and he says the boat just ate them up like a monster. It was only then that they realized they had a monster of a race boat on their hands. Doug said the only reason 001 didn't see the race course is because it was bought on the spot after a demo ride at the Miami show.

As for the hull, Doug said the first generation ZRC's were pretty much the same coming out of the molds, but when they started putting in bigger power to get them over 100mph they had to tweak the back step a little to free them up, but that was done after they came out of the mold. I plan on having that done.

Also, he said these boats were designed as race boats to get around a race course as fast as possible, which means they handle rough water very well and can turn with the best of them; however, in order to get that great handling they do give up a little straight away speed. Overall, they are amazing boats. I can't wait :)

ZRC is hands down the best handling boat I have ever owned. Blows me away everytime. You will love it!

I would put my 700 Zrc up against any 38/42 700 Fountain any day of the week and guarantee they could not out run me.

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Some pics from way back when.

Begining
 

This is going to be an awsome piece! Glass work has begun on the transom, a lot of details are fiqured out. Personally going to be disapointed if the first run isnt 110 and 6 or 7 from there. Pictures are coming.

Thanks Jerry. 110 + plus works for me. Get here there and I owe you a case of beer at delivery. :)

Great speed same drives?

No, that was stock Xr's (boat was originally a 575/Xr and I had Potter build up the motors to 700s).
After popping them a couple times, I upgraded to the IMCO SCX. I may have lost a few mph with the beefier drives, not sure because I put a little more bite into the prop when I did the swap. I saw 112 this summer once when I ran it up and if i tweaked it a little more I probably would have got 115.
I have no need to go all out for 5-6 miles just to try and squeeze a few more mph out anymore. For me it is about acceleration from 60-100+ that is where you win or loose a friendly competition anyway!

So it sounds likes the scx have held up for you,how many hours have you put on it this year a few mph for gained reliability is a no brainer,if the economy ever picks up i would love to put more power in my zrc thinking a -4 imco and some whipples,the added top end is nice but the boost in the midrange is what makes it a whole lot more fun

I didn't put a whole lot of hours on the boat this summer, maybe 60-70. We changed the oil after 25hrs and again at the end of the season and it looked brand new. I am very happy.

As for the height, the boats do not need too short of a drive. Most of the x dimensions were preset for standard length drives. I have standard lengths and the props surface as it is now. I have never seen another Bravo boat (other than the ZRC) throw this kind of a rooster tail.

Tom, most staggered bravo boats throw that tail. My Gladiator did, Fountains, OL's, ect. Boat looks great! You going to be down for the miami boat show?

I've heard several people say that these ZRC's do not like high X dimensions, including the former owner of my boat who tried -2s on it (granted it was a side-by-side) with poor results. But then you have the Adrenalin boat running -3's and I've heard that ZRC is the best running 525 boat that Donzi racing ever produced

That might give some credence to the theory that there is a sour spot where the gear cases really drag the boats down. Jerry Haney was telling me this when he picked up the Donzi. He says run your X below that spot and you are fine, or run it above that spot and the boat will really pick up speed, but run the case in that certain slightly raised spot and it will really create drag on the case and slow the boat down. At least this is the case with Fountains and that is why they really started jacking up the X in later years. When Jerry (looked at my Fountain said he would raise the X up another 4 inches from its already raised X and that it would run 7 - 10 mph faster than it does now and get on plane nearly as well.

If I were you, I would talk to Daniel Cramphorn and Kim Collins of Team 26 (English Donzi team). They did the exact same conversion and absolutely love the results.

As for my boat, I know they ran every combination of drive height and found this set up works best. They played with a few different engine set ups in these boats and I wouldn't be surprised if the Adrenalin boat had its motors set lower in it. Not to mention that boat was built EXTREMELY light.
I have seen quite a few different set ups in these boats. Even the most recent factory boat (orange pearl 700) has had the motors moved at least once that I know of. If you look at that boat, both motors are much more forward than any other I have seen, The forward motor is almost touching the bulkhead and the aft motor has a small drive shaft as well.


I wish Steve Simon were still around to help (rest in peace) because when looking for advice, I have gotten quite a few different opinions from those "in the know".

5 different ZRC's and each stagger is different.
#1- See how forward the engines are compared to the rest.
#2- my boat, engines set an inch or two lower than #3
#4- Mike A. boat (Former JBS race boat)
#5- First 4 step 700 boat.

Notice the newer 4 step boats have a reverse stagger to the older 2 step ones.

Thanks Tom,

Yea I corresponded with Daniel a few times when I was on the fence about buying the Arnesons. Without his input I would not have bought them. And as it turns out, my rigger came to the aid of team 26 a few years ago in Key West when they had an issue with their Arnesons. This year in Key West he inquired and they gave him a lot of input about how they set their boat up with the Asd-7's. He's also spoken to Craig about how he set up the orange boat.

With the Ilmors being about 600 lbs lighter it should be interesting to see where he places them to get the CG that Craig suggested.

Man, this thread is gettin' me to think...

Keep It!!!!!!

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I am keeping it unless someone comes along and buys it in the meantime. Everything is for sale. I have been talking to Innovation about some big motors but I know I will need to switch drives too just not sure which way to go on those. Fun to think about though. :coolcowboy:

From what I am reading on this thread alone, the IMCO cost speed and I know how at least three of these, soon to be four, run with the Arnesons and they all go extremely well.

And you can't beat the customer service and tech help :)

I love Arnesons and you are a great guy to deal with, but for my needs, the cost difference didn't make sense for me to do it.

I am very happy with my IMCOs and don't regret the choice I made.