Wow, Those rpm's are down, should be turning close to 4400-4600, losing a lot of speed there, Either those 350 mags are tired or you would need to prop down to 21's, your not getting into the tourque curve on those 350 mags.

I think the stock 350 is not enough for a 23p,I say 21 max,I have tried all of them too since between me and a friend I have tons of props sitting around to play with.

I'm trying to get a pair of 21's to try and no one around here has any I can run a pair of 23 cleavers 5000 with absolutly no bite. My motors are completly fine just too much prop for my hull and power.

Yup you right do you have any 21's i can try?

still using mine,I only have one anyway.

Might try EBAY.

http://motors.search-desc.ebay.com/m...Z1QQsofocusZbs

Also, don't forget there is a 21P Mirage and 21P Mirage Plus.

The cleavers are no good, blow a hole in the water and to much slip, Def get some 21 mirages, Do you have counter rotating drives? That also helps, And yes, Ebay would be a good place to look or ask around here, There may be some people that have some that will let you try.

Sorry CHUCK i do not mean too hijack your thread about this. FORMULADUDE i do not have counter rotation. as far as ebay i would like to try a pair then buy. I bought my 23's and need something diff.

CHECK WITH YOUR LOCAL DEALER THEY ALWAYS HAVE DEMO WHEELS YOU CAN USE.

Yup tried that! checked with 6 prop shops in 30 mile area NONE. 2 places have new ones at 400-450 a piece but no demos to try.