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People running in and out of the cabin wet can leave moisture in the boat then you throw a full mooring cover on it and the cabin is like a steam room. One way to prevent this is keeping a supply of moisture cups on hand to stop the water evaporation into the headliner. I am not blaming it on the owner but things sometime happen!!! Have you EVER been in a rain storm while out in your boat? Did you take the time to COMPLETELY dry your boat, or did you cover it and say I will clean it before I go out next time? It happens to everyone.
We get new boats in this time of the year with shrinkwrap on them and the first thing we do is cut breather vents in them because of codensation accumulating in the winter!!
Makes sense if you think about it. :cool:

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I know milliken is the name of the fabric dis. that did my boat in 1991 and they still exist . you might try looking in you big owners manual or your customer book that came with your boat . my boat has a fabric quality test and describes all tests and distributer.

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selpel OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHcomon

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Also you guys with this headliner problem, is it the glue or the foam backing that came loose? :cool:

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glue or no glue it still comes back to formula on somthing like this..l....... it just makes me wonder how many times a guy can run around the roseberry bush and invite someone to call the game ........... it still is an issue and are you gonna do finger pointing or just help

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You have to be kidding us Formula owners. That is the most BS I have ever heard from a dealer. Are you an authorzied dealer? Does Formula have an enviromental rating on the boat? Something like....... "It should only be used in <95% humidity at <94 degrees F"........I haven't seen that at all. Is it in the brochures?

If there is a PROBLEM.........Formula should stand up and address it. :mad: :mad: :mad:

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I agree with these guys, the atmospheric conditions reasoning/excuses is/are total BS.

It's a f'king BOAT ie: DAMP ENVIRONMENT :rolleyes: and even some HOT SUN

and it's just a couple of boats here and there, which further makes it sensible that these are isolated application (glue/amount) or product (glue/foam/material) issues.

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I believe one of the Porter's is a member here on OSO, Jeremy? maybe. Let's see if he jumps in here.

As Rippem noted above, it is a random boat here and there that appear to have this problem. In any manufacturing environment that has "people" involved, and as close as the QC personnel can be, there are the rare instances when procedures are not exactly duplicated. If this headliner application was done on a Monday or a Friday, that can be a factor, a bad batch of adhesive, an incorrect setting on the spray gun, any number of items can affect this.

I own a small manufacturing business, and even when something we sold several years ago (out of warranty) comes up with what is clearly "materials or workmanship issue", ti makes good customer service sense to just send them the parts they need to correct the issue. Again this is coming from a small business owner 12-15M a year, certainly not the size of Formula. Just my .02

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Tread I totally agree, I to am a small business owner in construction business many times have gone back fix, replace things that were no fault of mine. My experience is that bad service travels alot faster than good. How much can it really cost formula for a 10 yrds of headliner material. 200,000.oo for a boat and cant send a couple hudred bucks af material out.

As for selpel, it is used in the sun and espically water maybe I should keep on the hoist and just look at it so nothing goes wrong..

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OK, I sat by long enough and listened to his BS.

He (Sepel) will tell you that you looked at it too long and it caused the bla bla bla to go bad.... Because you can only look at it when the moon is full and the the humidity is low and the temp is....

He really represents himself and what is considered to be one of the best factory boats in the business in a bad way. I would not buy anything from him with his attitude, the customer is always wrong, and let me tell you why your $250K boat should not expect to hold up to the elements. After all it's a boat...