311 Engine Upgrades
#61
9.5:1 is really pushing it with 87 octane without knock sensors and efi
you need to pick pistons before you’ll know what the deck height will be, and final compression ratio
dont drain you’re headers until they have cooled down. The water will pull the heat out long after shut down and insulate the outer tube. Dump the water once after running and see how hot the tubes get while sitting. That heat cycling is way worse for the headers. Draining them when shutting off should only be done if you realize you have a leak and don’t want the water draining into a cylinder.
you need to pick pistons before you’ll know what the deck height will be, and final compression ratio
dont drain you’re headers until they have cooled down. The water will pull the heat out long after shut down and insulate the outer tube. Dump the water once after running and see how hot the tubes get while sitting. That heat cycling is way worse for the headers. Draining them when shutting off should only be done if you realize you have a leak and don’t want the water draining into a cylinder.
On the header dumps I hear what you're saying. I had considered this but thought (assumed) that with others doing similar this wasn't an issue. I'll need to rethink that a little more. Maybe a much smaller restriction to slowly drain the water? I'm not concerned with leaks since really checking them over, but I had a good amount of water that seemed to make it into the rear ports. I was thinking draining would also limit condensation. I'm open to any and all suggestions on how to go after this the right way.
#62
Not seeing 169621 in the catalog. Do you mean 721? 500efi was a 731 I thought.
721 214/220 .553/.564
731 226-236 .587/.610
741 236-244 .610/.632
731->741 was worth 25hp or 5% at least for Merc. A 721 would give up a lot.
Are your heads full CNC chamber? Getting some duration over .600” lift would appear to be worth a lot of power. Probably 30hp at least going from .550-.600 on its own.
721 214/220 .553/.564
731 226-236 .587/.610
741 236-244 .610/.632
731->741 was worth 25hp or 5% at least for Merc. A 721 would give up a lot.
Are your heads full CNC chamber? Getting some duration over .600” lift would appear to be worth a lot of power. Probably 30hp at least going from .550-.600 on its own.
The heads are as-cast with whatever CNC work AFR does to them prior to the full CNC option. They would fall under the partial CNC flow sheets though I think the exhaust flows more because of the valves.
Last edited by TomZ; 10-09-2020 at 02:26 PM. Reason: clarification
#63
[QUOTE=TomZ;4760964]You're right about figuring final compression. I'll know more once parts are all together. Would 9.5 and 87 really push it with aluminum heads?
Tom, The motors we built for the Monkey were 9:5 with 335 AFR aluminum heads.....I had to run 93 octane fuel...She did not like 87 at all
Tom, The motors we built for the Monkey were 9:5 with 335 AFR aluminum heads.....I had to run 93 octane fuel...She did not like 87 at all
#64
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Thanks Chris. If I have to run better fuel that's okay with me. My only concern is finding it. The place I keep the boat in the summer has 93.
What's the cutoff point with octane and aluminum heads? 9.25? 9.0?
You're right about figuring final compression. I'll know more once parts are all together. Would 9.5 and 87 really push it with aluminum heads?
Tom, The motors we built for the Monkey were 9:5 with 335 AFR aluminum heads.....I had to run 93 octane fuel...She did not like 87 at all
Tom, The motors we built for the Monkey were 9:5 with 335 AFR aluminum heads.....I had to run 93 octane fuel...She did not like 87 at all
What's the cutoff point with octane and aluminum heads? 9.25? 9.0?
#65
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Do not exceed 9.0 is my opinion. I’m sure others may feel differently however.
#66
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Even at zero you will need 4 cc of dome to get to 9:1 with a 121 cc chamber and a 040 mls gasket. If my math is right. These Wiseco pistons should be close with a 3.8 dome. Part no. PT077H3. Sorry for not having a link. If you go to 4.25 stroke, a flat top will get you a perfect 9.1-9.2 ha ha. It’s only money. Good luck Tom
#67
Even at zero you will need 4 cc of dome to get to 9:1 with a 121 cc chamber and a 040 mls gasket. If my math is right. These Wiseco pistons should be close with a 3.8 dome. Part no. PT077H3. Sorry for not having a link. If you go to 4.25 stroke, a flat top will get you a perfect 9.1-9.2 ha ha. It’s only money. Good luck Tom
I’m open to any and all suggestions on this so please keep them coming!
#68
My initial rough math based on having the block decked to zero or close to (.001-.002, we’re not final just yet... it may need a touch more than that), using a SRP replacement piston (1cc dome), 039 gasket (FelPro 17048), and the 118 head was putting me at about 9.2. Taking the heads to 114 would put me at 9.4 and change.
Final numbers will be figured out once I have all the measurements in-hand.
Final numbers will be figured out once I have all the measurements in-hand.
Last edited by TomZ; 10-11-2020 at 06:26 PM.
#69
Any thoughts on my idea of bumping up the intake side with a ratio change? If I go to a 1.75 Crower rocker, I would be at .616/.610 and probably close the duration spread to 232/236 @ 050 (or 231/236).
Last edited by TomZ; 10-12-2020 at 07:53 AM. Reason: I really hate autocorrect.
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I would personally would want dry exhaust to safeguard all of the time and money you will have tied up eventually. Keep posting progress, I can’t wait to see how many prop sizes you have to go up.
Last edited by ph1971; 10-12-2020 at 08:21 PM. Reason: Misread the specs



