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The color is GM fire red (applied on corvette). The tabs were painted on the boat and the drives off. I just took out the thru transom units to re-paint / replace the bearings with the rest of the drive and re-seal the units to the transom.
The one bearing that went in the drive did some housing damage so that's off to Archer - they were only 3 years old.
Thanks for the advice on the platform! The lightning exhaust we have is 6" where it goes through the transom in order to install the silencer and still maintain the 4" diameter throughout......no reglassing had to be done.

Do you have the original sea strainers? I have a cracked lid and want to replace. Ideas?

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I have the originals, Try posting in the tech forum, they will steer you in the right direction. I just went up and reviewed your exhaust. Those silencers are monsters! Looks really nice though. I was curious what your cruising speed was, say at 3500rpm? That is one of the main reasons I want to power up. Right now I have to run at a pretty high rpm to keep this hog cruising. It would be nice to see 50's at 3500. I could prop up but then I loose top rpm, Just needs 700hp per side! Are you running the Twin Disc Trannies? 1.54:1 with 1:1 gears in the Kaama's?

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Dave,
Al here. I love your boat. I bought my F402 in January 2000 and had been in touch with the broker on your boat but never went to see it. I think it was with Canadas Choice Boat Brokerage in Winsor Ont or something like that. Just couldn't swing the coin they were asking for yours at that time so I pulled the trigger on my F402. (not sure if that was the right decision) Anyway your boat is gorgeous! Give It To Me!!!!! About the sea strainers. Do you guys have the brass perko units with the 1 1/4" inlet and outlet? See attachment. If you use the same one Dave, it is Perko #493 007 PLB. Parts are readily available. I bought rubber gasket rebuild kits for mine at Boat US. An old Boat US catalog (not the new Westmarine version) listed the top cover available as part #493 007 99C (Perko number) with a Boat US item #168861. $15.99 with a rubber gasket. Find it on page 443 of the 2003 Boat US catalog. Current West/Boat US catalog doesn't have it but that doesn't mean it isn't in their system. A marine wholesaler just south of Milwaukee had an entire unit a while back but I don't know if he still has it. Email me and I'll find their contact info for you. [email protected]. Hey, you have any problems with the trannies or drives with that much horsepower? And my standard question.... What ratio is in the drives and what props are you running? Enquiring minds still haven't figured out the correct setup for my F402.

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Hey Josh......
How's it going? Well from the pic above you can see a motor is out. #4 on the port engine was pumping oil. Motor runs but there was so much oil that #4 couldn't possibly be firing. Ring, Valve seal, ???? Not sure yet. Another interesting find. Remember that my drives were tagged as +8% overdrive gears? Well I got brave and pulled the drives off. But just before I did that, I checked the drive ratio with the port side engine and trans out of the boat. Well..... one turn of the inside flange produces exactly one turn of the prop. The drives aren't +8% overdrive. I have 1:1 gears! And I really don't believe that anyone would have changed them unless it was done at the factory when the boat was originally built or at the selling dealer in order to tweak the setup at the time of the original sale. Checked the starboard side as well and it also has the 1:1 gears. So it's back to the drawing board .............
Hey Cuda, I've got the box out with all the bearings and seals but I want to try and match things up on the drive if I can. I'll send info when it makes more sense but right now these could be bearings and seals that the previous owner used on his bicycle. I'll let you know.

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Alj
I was wondering when you were going to chime in on this one. That's a nice close up on the sea strainer!! I knew someone would have some insight just not a full scale picture. Good call!! Dave's boat is bad AZZ. I am using it for a template!! Someday my resin bucket 357 will see 80.(on the water not on the trailer.) And maybe you will see 50 in the 402 next summer!! (just kidding) I know that is a touchy subject with you.

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Josh...... Thats really harsh dude. Just for that I've decided to deal with this once and for all! Two Lycoming Turbines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only thing that will really suck is all that beautiful upholstery work on the hatch is going down the drain then. Unless??......... Maybe this old bird has the room to exhaust turbines through the transom.

Dave, I screwed up dude. That part number I gave you for the cover is really the part number for the Polycarbonate transparent cylinder. That might be useful too! Correct Perko #493 007 99E (suffix E as in edward). Boat US item number was correct.
Later........


Harsh Dude! Very Harsh! :hothead:

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Alj..
your post beat mine!! I did notice your engine was out. I though that may have been from before. Sorry to hear about your find. As far as the drive ratio goes. It is strange that you are only able to spin those 24p props at 4500 rpm if the ratio is really 1:1. Maybe has somthing to do with sick engines. Hope the 540's aren't too bad off. This whole thing is getting me knotted up. I can't wait to here some good news on your 402. Sounds like Dave S has the ticket.
Oh yeh, I was only kidding about the 50 mph thing. You are most likely up in arms with this sh*t about now.

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getting extension boxes this winter

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Mine has what I believe is an Extreme Marine platform on it. I have the same sea strainers as alj. I guess it would have killed them to move those strainers a quater inch away from the stringers. :mad:

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Cuda that looks great i think i have found the ticket thanks for the pic's. I think we will make a similar one next winter.

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Perfectmix - We are running 1:1 gears with the standard Twin Disc Trans and 1:54:1. Had them checked out /gone through and no problems. Toughest part was the 1000rpm shift limit. Rebuilt the carbs and that helped (1050 dominator's) I installed temp gauges on the trans also to keep an eye on things & change the oil every month or so along with the motors for precaution. We are in the low 50's @ 3800 rpm. By the way i screwed up - the color is torch red not fire red on the drives. Below was fairly easy and not that expensive to update just a lot of time as usual. Also added some gauges and new shift/throttle controls.

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Alj- this was from Canada....worked on it for a while. Some stuff was good and some bad! Many is the time i would like to have the extra 5 feet you have in the rough stuff. We actually wanted a 40 but timing was not right i guess. Thanks much for the strainer info. Here is a pic with what we have.... and thanks again for the info.

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Dave S,

Your 357 is incredible!!!!!!! :D
It is perfect in every way....

Just can't get over how good the updates look to the interior and dash.

QD

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Dave,
That sea strainer looks like the GIL marine unit but without the barrel clamp outer ring assembly. Definately not the Perko unit like mine. Yours uses a plexiglas cover and the cover bolts down. Check with Teague Custom Marine in Valencia Cal. They have one that looks similar. GIL marine lists a wing nut style plexiglas lid as part #0913270. Not sure if GIL is still around but their phone used to be 216-354-6800 or 800-624-9805.
But Dave....don't worry about it. I'll take care of it after you drop it off at my house :D

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Here's another one of those "KAAMA" boats, '84 :D :D

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Hey what a great name! :drink:

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Dave.... a couple questions. 1000 RPM shift limit on the transmissions? Haven't heard of that but it makes sense. I know I shift higher than that with these cams. Also would like to know how your takeoff is with those 17 X27 props. I'm beginning to get the idea that these fat old birds with KAAMA's need a lot of prop diameter to lift the stern up out of the water. However I theorize that the pitch can be up beyond the 24 that i'm running to where you are at with 27 pitch. I ran with 16" diameter X 27 pitch mercury cleavers as a test and I could not get this thing to plane. Azz end sat down in the water too far. With a 17X24 the stern came up much higher and it planed off incredibly fast. (both sets were long hub four blades) Can't build any speed with the 24's and RPM seems low but I now know there were issues with the Port engine. My prop rotation is turning in, as does Josh's. Are you turning in? BTW...any luck with GIL marine?

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Alj. We too have a tough time shifting at 1000. I adjusted the throttles to allow the engine to idle there and bump them up once they engage to keep from stalling & be nice to the trans. We also turn inboard. Just have to increase the RPM's to 3000 and it climbs up pretty quick. These do sit low in the stern. Maybe the holidays will bring you a nice set of the Arneson rocker plates to help???$$$
Our strainers were old Gil's...unfortunately they don't make these lids anymore so i will have to get them remanufactured here locally or buy new units. Bit by bit the whole boat ends up being replaced it seems.

With your rig i would think the larger diameter along with some good torque theoretically should produce a good hole shot and top end will not be affected much. Higher pitch may take a while for the props to hook up & stall your hole shot but increase top end but its a good experiment to try.......... just don't overload the engines with a lot of pitch. Extreme cases end up in oil dilution from too much fuel delivery and bad things happen after that.

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I know what you mean :D:D

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I had the same 1000 RPM shift problem with my 302.

I work for Cummins and we are a Twin Disc dist. I talked to Twin Disc at length on this topic.

After long discussions, I was told that a 1200 RPM shift would not hurt the tranny. I then drilled 1/16th holes in the primary throttle blades and set the idle to 1150, and as Cuda can tell the engine does not even think of stalling nor has it caused any damage.

On a side note,

The Twin Disc 502 is not rated for any more than 386Hp nor is it rated over 4200 RPM (We all violate that) That is why they sling a little oil out the over flow at high RPM.

And after talking to Twin Disc, I found that Betty Cook never got written approval from Twin Disc to use them in this application, but she bought and used them any how assuming all liability.

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This is great info - thanks very much! I have also not seen any problems either with the oil becoming burnt or discolored and the temp remains fine.

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You're Welcome

Also, the main reason that 1000 RPM shift limit was made is in that Big Diesel applications,

The torque of the diesel and the size of the wheel being spun, caused some clutch slippage at engagement shortening the life of the clutches.

As you know, our prop sizes and torque is low compared to big diesels

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Dave S what part of lake Ontario are you out of???? :rolleyes:

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We are from Rochester.

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I'll have to keep a eye out for you next year, do you go up to Rosie's at all? I'm out past Oak Ochard.
Nice 357 :drink:

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Don't go west too much but will keep an eye out for your surface drives!

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If you are slinging oil out that breather you can remotely mount them up higher. I have a buddy that did that and he does not ahve the problem any more.

Jon

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Getting very close now. Very very close.

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Looks good Russ. :cool:

QD

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Thanks, I can't wait to get the new tips in. That's REALLY going to set it off, that and a new tie bar.

Am also going to spray the lower half of the drives silver.

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shop around for the tie bar, I can't remember where I got mine but price vary.
Call Formula c/s, Chuck Miller is good guy and will get your drive spacing for bar
260-724-1412.. Silver looks the balls on lowers, especially without silent thunder.

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I bought my tie bar at WPM in Cali.

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I've got a tie bar and external steering saddles for TRS drives--planning a garage sale soon to sell them and a LOT of other TRS and engine stuff. Drop me an email if you are interested--

[email protected]

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here is a pic of my 84 242Ls with twins

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That thing looks SWEET!!!!

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Nice boats guys, lookin real good!

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Except for the color looks like "Synergy", my first boat, an 85 242 LS with twin small blocks. Somewhere earlier in this thread is a photo of that boat. I'll try to find it and scan it again, as that picture was on my old computer.

In April/May of 95, my ex wife and I took a 1200 mile trip around Florida on her. Started in Sarasota, went north to Crystal River, then south to Marco Island planning on running to Key West, but it was too rough. Went back up to Ft. Myers, and went across the Okechobee Waterway to the East Coast, down to Miami and then Key West. Went with a group to the Bahamas, came back with the group, back across the Okechobee Waterway, then back to Sarasota. Took about six weeks to do the trip.

Favorite spots were Sanibel Island and Grandma Dot's, the Okechoebee Waterway which was just spectacular,.

The absolute worst was the Intracoastal on the East Coast. With those concrete seawalls and those azzholes in their 55 ft. Sport Fisherman, traveling four at a time, just plowing water as hard as they could throwing five foot wakes. And with those concrete seawalls they wakes just keep bounching back and forth. It just sucked.

Then in Lauderdale there was like maybe a 50 ft. 30's vintage old wooden cruiser, in beautiful shape, with all kinds of stuffed animals, (real like deer, bear, etc) all wearing life preservers. It was hilarious. Somewhere I've got some pix of that and I'll try to find them and post. You have to see it to believe it.

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That sounds like a trip I'd like to make, Russ.

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Here's my old 1985 242 with twins. Captain Debbie at the wheel. :)

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Nice cuda, looks like a fun time!!