Yeah but if I would of done that then look at all the entertainment/quality reading u all would of missed out on!!!! Lol

[QUOTE=On Time;3567048]OR...and no offense to the big dreamers out there...keep it stock, keep it dry and indoors when not in use, keep engines sprayed with Corrosion X red, add marine Sta-Bil in the gas every time, and if run in salt water flush it for ten minutes per side, and you'll get to 400+ hrs. without a hitch. [/Q

I've done all that and I still have to work on it. Conclusion: The only way not to spend money on a boat is to not own one.
Heck with that!

[QUOTE=1 MAIDEN AMERICA;3567132] Yeah we have been fortunate. I do play with it but really don't abuse my boat. I learned how to drive and take care of my boat from an old racer here in Houston area that used to run with Teague, Sanborn and "the" Reggie. He has an '02 42 with 575's and he's the safest guy around and we still always have a great time. His motto: "its not important that they run fast, its important that they run".

Did you know you were paying for Eagle parts?

Ummmm......no. I thought I was paying for 1000hp engines that would last for more than half a boating season....

I am still interested in your outcome!! Anything new?

I read this whole thread and have heard some nasty rumors and its really implied that you got a real screwing of some sort From Tyler Crockett. I decided to give him a call ( we are acquaintances and I have dynoed there before) and asked him straight out about the Eagle cranks and rods- Did you tell this guy he was getting high dollar parts and screw him by giving him inferior parts??? I got his side of the story- you wanted to turn your motors into 540's, you were pleading poverty, he gave you the option of high dollar parts or low budget stuff and YOU made the choice to have him use the Eagle stuff. He charged you 750 or 800 dollars for your Eagle stroker cranks and 500 dollars for eagle rods with upgraded rod bolts, YOU knew what you were getting and although Eagle would not be my FIRST choice I guess If I was trying to upgrade my motors on a LIMITED budget I wouldn't be scared to run the stuff at 950 hp. Your total hp numbers, although not BIG power YOU again would not spend more to upgrade from the heads you had to something that would make more power. As far as these multiple meltdowns, not sure what happened in past years, sounds like a screwed up mess. I heard Tylers response to what happened before you decided to go with a different engine builder, and I don't blame you in the least, you had ALOT of problems and at some point you have to try something different, a new set of eyes, what ever, I would be pretty mad IF I had a boat I couldn't use that kept breaking over and over again and I was at the mercy of other people. Lets talk about the fuel system your boat has on it. When Tyler flew down to see it the first time and try to tune it on the water did HE plumb your boat??? Um, no, all the other "experts" (I would consider the fountain boys to be rigging experts) thought the stuff would be minimum satisfactory but now Eddie rides in on his white horse and even though he don't want to throw Tyler under the bus he implies to everyone that your fuel system is Tylers fault. Tyler SENT you to RF to straighten your boat out and re-rig it IF neccesary, they must have felt the stuff was ok. When you went out and water tested your boat did the fuel pressure remain steady under wot, yes, so although not top notch the fuel fittings did NOT cause your boat to melt down again. After finally getting your boat on the water with Tyler in it he finally figures out you had a problem with your wiring harness on one motor, a knock sensor wire that was screwed up and a burn't pin on your ecu retarding your timing and sending your egts to the moon. It really sucks that it got hurt trying to find this problem but at least you finally have a reason this whole mess won't stay together. I hope that Eddie repairs everything and it will stay together and you can finally get some trouble free boating in, good luck, Smitty

I think it's time to post what else was "found" in the tear down...

At no point in time did I blame the fuel system on Tyler or claim it was his doing. Without looking back, I remember saying that the boat probably came this way from the factory since it was only a 525 boat.
I am only getting one side of the story. I don't know if it's correct or not. I really don't care. I certainly have nothing against Tyler. I've never met him, but I can't believe he got where he is by being stupid. The only problem that I have is that as a marine engine builder, you have to take the rigging in the boat into consideration. You can't just build an engine, ship it out and hope for the best without any consideration of the fuel system, water system, etc. Not saying that was the case here, but more should have been done. For any engine that I don't install, I will spend hours on the phone with the boat owner to be sure the engine has everything it needs. It doesn't matter how good of an engine you build, if the rigging isn't correct, it won't live.
The other item is the parts. If you aren't comfortable building an engine, then don't build it. I will not build anything with Eagle parts. That is my preference. I used to use a few many years ago on stuff around 600-650 hp, but I found the quality control had tanked. It's been years since I have touched one. I also know several builders that feel the same way and simply refuse to build an engine with Eagle parts. Whether or not they will last or not is beside the point. I don't believe they were made for that kind of power (1000+ hp) in a marine application. THey may be fine for drag racing, but not here IMO. I have turned away many jobs over the years that I wasn't comfortable with. I understand that everyone has a budget to work with. If they don't want to keep the power level comparable to the quality of parts they can afford, then I won't do it. Again, that is my choice. The money doesn't mean that much to me to ruin my reputation with a time bomb.(not referring to this)
I said from the beginning that I am not getting into the middle of this. I was not there to hear and see what transpired between the Seeleys and Tyler. Again, I don't really care. It doesn't concern me. My job is to build them an engine that runs. That's what I'm focusing on. I have not and will not throw anyone under the bus. Don't insinuate that I did.
Eddie

I was trying to keep this thread from going down this path, but leave it to someone who does not have a dog in this fight to put me in a position where the gloves are now off.

First, you are a misinformed moron. You know ONE side of the story...and it could not be further from the truth. Did you a happen to ask your acquaintance how many times he TRIED to re-build the motors over the last 4 years? The answer is 3. Did you also ask your nutswinging buddy what the solution was each time we would bring the boat back to him? The solution was..."Oh, maybe we should try this, try that, try, try, try"...and each time that try would cost us 30k....and here we are STILL with motors that are blown up....again.

Secondly, we had NO idea (ZERO, ZILCH NONE) that he was using crap Eagle cranks and rods. Why? Because we were never provided an estimate of any sort (Funny how I know EXACTLY what I am getting with YPM...cuz I have this magical document that professionals provide called an ESTIMATE)...I trusted Tyler with an open checkbook...shame on me. And the story of "pleading poverty"...is so far from the truth that its not even funny. Lets see...I own a 250k boat, with over 100k invested in rebuilt junk motors, and a tab still running at RF...yeah...Im really pinching penny's here.

Why would I send my boat to RF and spend the money to do what they have done if money was an issue? Oh, I know why....because the last 4 years it was being worked on by someone who kept phucking it up...thats why. Do you think that a few thousand more dollars for quality parts would make a squirt of pi$$ in the grand total of what we have sunk into this thing?

Next, the idea to go to 540's was NOT mine...again it was a "oh, lets try Dart blocks cuz the Gen 6 OE 502's haven't held together on the last 3 rebuild..so this will do the trick"....WRONG!!!! Again, here I am with blown up engines.

And finally, lets discuss what was discovered during the most recent tear down. 1. A zip tie was stuck between the head and block...I doubt this caused any issues. 2. The wiring looks like something that my 3yr old did. YPM sent me a pic of his finished wiring, and one of what Tyler did...and its an absolute joke as to what we paid for. 3. 3 of the pistons on the motor that recently blew up were non-coated pistons. 4. The whole Eagle crank/rod issue...(see above if you need a re-fresher on that whole ordeal)
I could go on...but I think you get the point.

In my industry people come to me and trust that we will provide them with a quality end product that they can enjoy for years. I dont expect my customers to be experts at what we do...the same should go for engine builders, or any other trade for that matter.
As a customer, I expect to be provided with a product that is built properly, delivered on time, by a builder who stands behind their product and does not make every excuse in the book as to why things went wrong...and to date we have NEVER got that product....EVER.

Regarding the fuel system...yes it is Tylers fault. This should of been caught on one of the last 3 re-builds...end of discussion.

In summary, I dont know who you are or why you felt it necessary to run your mouth about something you know NOTHING about. All I can surmise is that you feel compelled to try and stick up for your buddy....which is fine. However, in the future, before you make a fool of yourself, and spew inaccurate rhetoric about a series of events that you are gravely misinformed about...I suggest you get your facts straight....and stop trying to be a savior for someone who just needs to fess up to the fact that they made a series of botched engine builds.

Again, I apologize to all those who have been following this thread for it to have come to this. However, "Mr. I have an obligation to set Tyler's reputation straight", has forced my hand. I hope that we can all get back on track now and keep a positive outlook on the remainder of the build.

Eric