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:stupid:

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Mike,
Funny, but that is what a lot of the guys at the Winnfabs meetings are saying about you guys. I am a card carrying republican and a member of the NRA. Who did you vote for?
And I'm the one that 's hiding behind a false identity? I don't feel hidden. You know who I am. Please post your name address and phone number. We'll send you a Winnfabs application and won't tell any of the others if you sign up. We've printed special bumper stickers for all the performance boaters that have joined but don't want anyone else to know. They depict a guy in a Fountain driving at a safe speed, but he's wearing shades so nobody will recognize him. LOL
Frank

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Funny, but that's not the feedback I've been getting. PM on that if you'd like.

You still haven't answered what your commitments to safe boating are other than HB162. Which, obviously I feel, does little, if anything, to further the cause.

For your benefit, here isthe offical position, "Lakes Region Sail and Power Squadron, as a squadron of the United States Power Squadrons, is prevented by its charter from endorsing any legislation".

Let's focus on education, operation, alcohol use, and enforcing existing laws, which govern excessive speed. Let's see what can be done to beef up MP presence. I'm in favor of expanding NWZs like the one at the Weirs. BTW, we are working on a petition to expand that NWZ.

While I don't disagree there are some people operating HP boats on the lake in a less than safe mannor, there are an equal if not larger percentage of "family" boaters doing the same. HB162 does nothing to address any of this.

IMHO, your message is one-sided, and from what I've seen does nothing to alleviate the problems you speak of.

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Don't Feed The Trolls!!!!!!!

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I am committed to fighting for reasonable speed limits on the lake, so those who own "lake-size" boats will also be safe.

Please ask those LRSPS officials you mention to weigh in. Are they officers or just go-fasters who signed up as members so they could pretend to speak for the whole group? Please provide more specifics.

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Good grammar :rolleyes:

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HB162 applies equally to those family boaters and the HP boaters you mention. There is no language in the bill that discriminates against or exempts any particular type of boat. Where did you hear that there was? Did Director Barrett tell you that?

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Ouch.

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Come on, be serious, this legislation, is aimed at performance boats. Even Merril Fay who sponsored it with Rep Pilliod initially, was honest enough to admit it. Trust me, I'm well informed on the subject. And you still say nothing about education, only the speed limit. Be honest and stop parading behind the banner of safe boating.

What about keeping us safe from the irresponsible "lake-size" boaters who are out there (sometimes in vast numbers)?

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Thanks Mike, I needed a laugh. I'm running out of blood pressure pills :eek:

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That was in another thread. Here it is again if you lost it, but be patient, it has been so busy that you might have to wait until an off-hour to get in:
http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/HB162
Keep trying.

I notice that OSO has over a thousand members, so why is this argument only coming from three or four? Might it be that the rest all recognize that you guys are not really helping them by taking such an extreme position? By holding to the rediculous notion that driving at any speed on this crowded lake is safe? Might the others be mature and intelligent enough to recognize that it is in the best long-term interests of your hobby that you give in to some reasonable limits?
I like to shoot, but I would not expect to get much mileage from an argument that it is ok to fire a gun down a crowded street. I think NRA would dis-own me if I tried to make that argument in their name. They accept that to keep the sport alive, reasonable compromises must be accepted.

Mike, how was the grammar?

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Theres no talkin to these people ..there going to impose there will on everyone come hell or high water :rolleyes:
Trust me there motives are twisted ..speed is not an issue on this lake ..These people want the lake to be like squam .
"Norman the loons..the loons norman :rolleyes:

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There are like 20,000+ members here and most wont waste there time with a slug like you ..
If you are somehow comparing a fast boat to firing a gun down the street ..your even more of a spin doctor than I would have thought ..keep trying :rolleyes:

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Winnfabs primary mission is to educate about the benefits of the speed limits of HB162. Please provide your real name and address and we will put you on the mailing list andsend you some literature that will surely convert you.


Mike, did I spell "educate" right?

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Please explain why 45mph is "reasonable" and why 65 or 85 or 105 is not. And why 100% of the lake, 100% of the time should be speed limited.

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ROTHLMFAO, Frank, you're too funny. :D

By the way, I traded in my Baja for a cruiser which should be in next week. Funny thing is that even with a 45 tail wind, I still don't think it will hit your proposed speed limit. Guess that means I'm not a "Go Fast" :rolleyes:

So, even though I no longer have a dog in the fight, I still oppose HB162, and will do all I can to see that it never gets out of committe. At the risk of being repetitive, it is one sided legislation and does very little, if anything to deal with the issues facing the lake.

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When are you going to post that info?

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These were my thoughts exactly! I know we get smashed for taxes on our island camp. Waterfront tax, view tax, regular property tax :eek: Whats next? Speed limits will only mean the need for more Lake patrol, and more equipment and faster boats for the lake patrol to enforce the speed limit with. And none of these come free of charge!

And as for Fasterthanthou. What a sleazy way to try and get support for your side of the bill. :mad: And I guess you'll be able to give up your name if it ever does pass cause everyone will be stuck at 45 anyways. YOU SUCK! And good luck in finding a new use for your boat as a mooring weight.

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Mike, did you catch that?

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That's the whole idea, I'm tired of my boat being a mooring weight now because it is only 23 feet long and too small to compete out there. I want to start using it again...hence HB162.
What's your real name?

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Oh oh, cruisers are next on the hit list, then the Sophie C and the Dorris E, then the Mount. Don't know where jet skis will fall in.

Let's all go to summer camp and make birch bark canoes :drink:

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Go on.

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DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!! I don't care how entertaining it may be!!! :drink: :drink:

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10-4 Jon, I'm done. Wasn't very challenging anyway :D

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Pass this around

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Faster, we just bought another boat at the end of last year( see my avatar). Its only 24' and I've never felt that it was to small out there. Before we got this boat we used to take our other boat everywhere on the lake. Its only a 14' Logic with a 40hp 4-stroke on it. Now before you think that we just stuck to the shore line to go anywhere in the 14' you are totaly wrong. Its been from one end to the other and not by trailer either. And I felt plenty safe in it as well.

My name is Adam by the way but I don't see what that has to do with anything. I'm a 30yr old boater w/ a 7yr old son. I grew up boating on the ocean. Piloting my father's 38' Manson cabin cruiser from the age of about 8. No a Manson isn't a performance boat either, its a wooden twin screw diesel, with a top speed of around 17 knots.

I'm sorry that the boat you chose is not seaworthy for the conditions of the lake. You should have done better research on its hull design and saftey record before you bought it to use on the big lake. Maybe you should try one of the smaller lakes and you might find that you enjoy your purchase more. Big water is not for everyone or everyboat.

Again, I'm sorry that your boat can't keep up or that you feel like less of a man because of it.

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fruitta55,

I know I told Jon that I was done, but well said.

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Mike,

Thanks for the new avitar :D

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I am computer illiterate i just need to figure out how to set as avitar , don't worry i'll figure it out. :drink:

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No wonder you can't figure it out, you own a performance boat. Suprised you can read :D :drink: :D

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There was a politician that once said And I will say it to faster than thou ITS ABOUT THE ECONOMY STUPID!! I am a NH native and have the rite to make decisions in my state you live in mass Go Play with John Waffle Kerry. And stay out of NH buisness I dont need or want your help to protect a lake in our state !I don't want to pay Higher taxes because out of stater's push legislative buttons.in a negitive way there a plenty of people from all over the country that come and enjoy what NH has to offer if your not haveing a good time or your boat is to small to safley enjoy the lake find a smaller one in mass to eveyone else that enjoys NH welcome and as for you FASTER THAN THOU! Go Home and stay Home!

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Bob,

Couldn't have said it better myself.. I'm getting tired of people who don't live here telling us that they know what's best for us. Leave us alone, we can manage.

See you in a few weeks I'm sure.

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Here on OSO I'm FormulaOutlaw. My name is Russ. I live in Nokomis, FL.

I don't like self centered arrogant jerks who subscribe to the "I don't like it so you can't do it" philosphy or believe they have the right to "control" what they may not agree with. I really didn't like the way he tried to pull that end around to his petition so I reported it as a bad post and asked that it be deleted. If the chickchit bastar) can't at least be honest about his own site he shouldn't be allowed to lie about it.

Notice however "fastercrapper" that at least on THIS Forum, you can speak your nonsense. That's a hell of a lot more than I was allowed to do on Don's Forum.

We have almost 26,000 members at this point and 99% are responsible boaters. We promote education and safety. We don't hide behind some BS agenda like your ilk does. You are not fooling anyone here so stop wasting our time, and yours, though I don't give a rat's ass about you or your time, or your kind of people.

You want a speed limit for one reason and one reason only, to try to get the offshore boats off the lake. At least have the sack to speak the truth.

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I have lots of customers up at the lake(most in 20-26 ft boats) that have good Views in both directions 90 percent of them dont want a speed limit but think there should be something done to control The (lack of knowledge factor) speed in itself is not the issue People not knowing good boating edicat is! I cant count how many times on the lake when I am the stand on boat that I am cut off by someone in a smaller craft only to be flipped off because that person thinks they had the rite of way .. again a Knowlege thing. The people with Blow Boats and small boats think there are issues now slow the whole thing down to waterplow speed and watch how big the chop on the lake and haystacks will be . Most larger offshore boats and cruisers will still manage but Docks and boats tied to them as well as boats smaller than 25 ft will get the Szit Beat out of them ! people will stop coming to the lake.. and taxes will rise.. We have a family property on the lake and have for 50+ years. my uncle and Dad remember when the first Chris Craft /Garwood Type boats hit the lake and no one wanted to hear the Noise from those beastly machines on the Lake.. Now we all admire them!! I'm just sick about something I have enjoyed my Whole life and Followed as a Career as a result as my love for the Sport is Being messed with By people who have no Business Messing with it!
My .02
Bob
Baja... When the Monsoons end See ya at Smalls Cove. :drink:

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Well said Bob ..My feelings exactly. IF there is aproblem out there its lack of knowledge. Ive had plenty of ROW altercations because someone doesnt know the rules. Some think they are on the highway and will try and go around you to get on your right side etc.. "Know before you go"
But in my 38 years on the lake I honestly cant recall one time where speed was an issue and I said to myself gee that boat is going to fast for one reason or another.
And the reasons the proponenets of HB 162 are spewing are completely trumped up or overblown , just to push there agenda. That part of it is sickening :(

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I don't feel loved anymore. :p

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http://www.theunionleader.com/subjec...?field=lakes05

just sitting down to read the print edition. Oh - its raining again :mad:

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I just wrote a "letter to the Editor" to that newspaper. Bet it doesn't get printed although it was very courteous and polite.

All one can do is try....:rolleyes:

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That article sounded pretty much one sided :mad:

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lot of quotes from week-end "residents". last time I checked the decision is being made by representatives of NH, representing NH residents, not week end visitors that vote in other states. typical BS from the Union Leader, find what serves your purpose and print it.

This from

heres my quote - "people from Marlboro MA are coming to NH to sexually abuse children" There is as much fact in both statements.