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Re: Lake Winnipesaukee Speed Limit
Faster Than thou..Sit stay...Nevermind Just go lay down or go back to Mass!And Stay there!
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Re: Lake Winnipesaukee Speed Limit
Originally Posted by fasterthanthou
Jon,
What's your point? Are you saying I live in Rochester now too? I thought I lived in Mass? Is there only one Frank? Or are their thousands? Is "Frank" a nom for any speed limit proponent being used by people all over NE? What will his ID be next? What state will he come from next? Who is he? Don't the good people of Rochester have a right to their opinions too, regardless of their names? You are confusing everyone. Is that your goal? Nice distraction. Frank A good friend of mine has a saying that I believe is quite appropriate here: "When one finds oneself in a hole, it's best to stop digging" There is NO ONE confused here about you. I doubt very seriously anyone here would trust you enough to ask you what time of day it is, and I damn sure know that no one here would even consider giving you the time of day. Stick a fork in yourself liar cause YOU'RE DONE...... oh yeah, almost forgot, WHERE'S THE PROOF??????? You got called out "knob", like I said, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!!!! |
Re: Lake Winnipesaukee Speed Limit
The Meek Shall Inherit The Earth
http://www.unionleader.com/articles_...?article=56120 But Pilliod — himself a boater — says 45 mph can be “very fast.” “If you want to be a thrill seeker, 45 is thrilling,” he said. “What happens is pretty traumatic. There’s no reason for great speed. I have two engines on my boat and I don’t go over 25. “And I wouldn’t even go over 10 or 15 at night,” Pilliod said. “Twenty-five (at night) is for people who have more skills than I do.” Merrill Fay, owner of Fay’s Boatyard in Glendale, worked with Pilliod and talked to his customers to develop the proposed speed limits for Winnipesaukee. Lake George has 45 and 25,” Fay said. “We dealt with 45 and 50 and 55 in thinking about it, and the 55 seemed too much; 50 might be more acceptable, and I think it’s open to that kind of thinking. “The 25 at night? I don’t know how to compromise on that,” Fay said. “It works at Lake George and, like Winnipesaukee, that lake has islands and recreational boating. I think it’s fair. That’s when somebody is going to get killed. And a boat doesn’t ride well until you get up to at least 25. “The people who will be most affected are somebody who wants to go 50 to 75 miles an hour. If you bought a boat just to do that, this bill isn’t good for you. btw self righteous - http://www.faysboatyard.com/site_pag...g_index_1.html 90 Black Thunder Powerboats XL 320 TWIN 454 Magnum Mercruisers Under the power-assisted engine hatch are TWIN Mercruiser screws - 454 Magnums producing 365 HP each! Fuel capacity is 153 gallons and there is a Halon fire extinguisher system & through-hull exhaust, too. |
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I would just like to know after all the controversy, especially regarding what happened at the last hearing (nobody FOR the speed limit showed up) that your newspaper up there is completely unable to grasp the concept of just what is actually going on.
Everyone up there should ask for an investigation of Faye's Boat Yard to be sure he is in full complience of all state regulations. From what I've seen photos of and heard, his place is basically a toxic waste dump. I hope the word gets out to FILL those meeting halls with people against the speed limit proposals. I'm twelve hundred miles away and that whole situation makes me want to puke. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: |
Hearings are scheduled!!!
This just in from Winnilakers
Winnilakers, The RR&D committee has schedule the House Bill 162 hearings this summer for the first 2 hearings. The first 2 hearings are Wednesday, June 29th at 7:00pm, Moultonborough Academy, 25 Blake Road, Moultonborough NH Wednesday, July 6th at 7:00pm, Kingswood High School, 296 South Main Street, Wolfeboro, NH What is House Bill 162? To impose a speed limit of 45 mph during the day and 25 during the night on Lake Winnipeseaukee. What can you do? We need your attendance, you don't have to speak, just need you to be present. There will be a sign up form there to get your vote. If you would like to speak in opposition to HB162, please contact Jodi Grimbilas at 603-225-7170. Hearings Etiquette Please do not talk or make sarcastic sounds when speakers are talking. We know they can be challenging, but being professional goes a long way!! Why oppose it? There are no facts or statistical data that shows that a speed limit will make the lake any safer as the supporters state. They simply want to return the lake back to the Dirty Dancing Era. Please pass onto everyone, bring as many people as you can Custie Also visit http://www.nhrba.com to become a member of an organization that will help fight for your rights to boat! You may have seen the press lately, this is seriously being considered!!!! |
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We'll see you all there
Mike H. |
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I will be at the June 19th meeting at least.
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I got an email from [email protected] or something like that with the same message that CMG just posted. I even filed it so I could post but it's already up, thanks CMG
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE THEREL....................................... EVERYBODY......................................... ............................... If it wasn't eleven hundred miles away, I'd be there. If I could get away from work I'd consider making the trip. Good luck guys/gals. |
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Same source, Custie is the man behind the curtain
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Do your best to keep it from getting pased,I'm going there in end of july on vacation!!!Thanks to all you local guys for working to defeat it,Smitty
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Re: Lake Winnipesaukee Speed Limit
CMG is right ! Think this might be the problem ...
Originally Posted by Pilliod
But Pilliod — himself a boater — says 45 mph can be “very fast.”
“If you want to be a thrill seeker, 45 is thrilling,” he said. “What happens is pretty traumatic. There’s no reason for great speed. I have two engines on my boat and I don’t go over 25. “And I wouldn’t even go over 10 or 15 at night,” Pilliod said. “Twenty-five (at night) is for people who have more skills than I do.” I wonder why Mr Pilliod's boat has twins and yet he doesn't go over 25 ? I wonder what he'll say when wakes become a "safety issue" (as some already claim !). What really irks me is the complete lack of any reasoning in putting forth the limits proposed. 55 "seemed" too fast and 50 was a maybe so they settled on 45 ?!???!? Even the Safety Czars at NHTSA do (overly conservative) analysis to set limits for our roadways. Where's the analysis to support these limits ? I started boating on Winni 30+ years ago. I can't recall a single time when I've "felt" unsafe because somebody was going over 45. And I'm out there on weekends and on weekend nights when the supporters are afraid to go out. I didn't then, nor have now, a large or a performance boat. I've seen lots of bonehead behavior but speed isn't the real safety concern. Speed limits won't fix the real problems and should this bill pass I wonder how long it'll be before the proponents start griping about how unsafe the lake still is. ps - How about a little less "feeling" and some more thinking ! |
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Went to the meeting in Gilford last night.. The way that people in favor of the speed limit portray us as performance boaters (drunk,unruly , discourteous, ect )makes my Blood Boil :hothead: Something has to be done on the lake I know but to be stereotyped Pisses Me Off! I stayed till 10:30 P and had to Get home 1 plus hr Drive ( Sitter At Home) dont know how it ended But Wish I could have stayed to Give My .02
My thanks to everyone who Did Get to say something Opposed to the bill! We all need to contact our reps to make sure they don't make a Mistake The People who Showed Up In Favor of the Bill Are either Retired Or Just don't Like Perf Boats.. Im Still A little cranked up So Ill Cool Off So I can Focus My Thoughts.. Bob |
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Bob what did you feel was the ratio of for vs. against?
Jon |
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In The Crowd 50/50 Of those speaking 70/30 for HB162 some of the people who spoke out against it were well versed and factual .. a lot of the people for it were emotional in the testimony..and a few just plain ridiculous so if I was on the Board I would go with the facts instead of the story's But Who Knows
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Re: Lake Winnipesaukee Speed Limit
Here was the summation from the Save Barnegat Bay organization back in 2003 when we showed up with plenty of powerboat members to a Regulation Meeting:
We have since smoothed the waters with most of the sail boating community, and have proven that we all are not "reckless boat operators." Here was there take on how the meeting went: January 8, 2003 Noisy, Speeding Boats on Barnegat Bay: What to do? Read SBB's account of the January 8, 2003 Boat Regulation Commission Meeting: The opportunity to create a speed limit on Barnegat Bay experienced a serious setback on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 when New Jersey’s Boat Regulation Commission, meeting at State Police Headquarters in West Trenton, voted to withdraw their proposal for a thirty mile per hour speed limit on inshore tidal waters. The Commission instead decided to make minor revisions to “slow speed no wake buoys” and to urge the Legislature to require licensing and enhanced boater education. The Commission announced its decision at the openning of the hearing and then allowed the public to comment. Save Barnegat Bay strongly objects to this move by the Boat Regulation Commission, which we see as a betrayal of public safety and of the public interest in favor of a small number of reckless boat operators. The Boat Regulation Commissiom Chairman portrayed the conflict over a speed limit as a dispute between sailors and powerboat operators only. In truth, this is a conflict between a small group of reckless powerboat operators and the overwhelming majority of law abiding powerboat operators, sailors, crabbers, fishermen, kayakers, canoeists, and swimmers. The Commission received an overwhelming quantity of letters in favor of a speed limit, which it ignored. The crowd at the Trenton meeting, however, was strongly opposed to a speed limit, as the New Jersey Performance Powerboat Club turned out impressively and in force. Only a spokesman for Save Barnegat Bay and a small handful of others expressed support. Although the Commission openned by stating that slow speed no wake areas would be significantly increased, they retreated from that position over the course of the hearing. They indicated that the Borough of Mantoloking would likely be denied its request to have the length of its waterfront posted slow speed no wake. It is notable that of approximately twenty performance powerboaters who testified, two volunteered that they had been involved in fatal accidents. Each insisted, however, that speed was not a factor in his particular case. Although Save Barnegat Bay supports licensing and education, we see them as inadequate to deal with the crisis on the Bay, which will only get worse as our area’s population increases. We fear that it will take some terrible tragedy before our public officials finally find the courage to stand up for common sense, the environment, and the public interest. Save Barnegat Bay will continue to explore methods of ameliorating the problem of speeding powerboats. I hope you guys have the luck and understanding we had to overcome the speed bump of your waterways.... |
Re: Lake Winnipesaukee Speed Limit
Originally Posted by sharkeymarine
Here was the summation from the Save Barnegat Bay organization back in 2003 when we showed up with plenty of powerboat members to a Regulation Meeting:
We have since smoothed the waters with most of the sail boating community, and have proven that we all are not "reckless boat operators." Here was there take on how the meeting went: January 8, 2003 Noisy, Speeding Boats on Barnegat Bay: What to do? Read SBB's account of the January 8, 2003 Boat Regulation Commission Meeting: The opportunity to create a speed limit on Barnegat Bay experienced a serious setback on Wednesday, January 8, 2003 when New Jersey’s Boat Regulation Commission, meeting at State Police Headquarters in West Trenton, voted to withdraw their proposal for a thirty mile per hour speed limit on inshore tidal waters. The Commission instead decided to make minor revisions to “slow speed no wake buoys” and to urge the Legislature to require licensing and enhanced boater education. The Commission announced its decision at the openning of the hearing and then allowed the public to comment. Save Barnegat Bay strongly objects to this move by the Boat Regulation Commission, which we see as a betrayal of public safety and of the public interest in favor of a small number of reckless boat operators. The Boat Regulation Commissiom Chairman portrayed the conflict over a speed limit as a dispute between sailors and powerboat operators only. In truth, this is a conflict between a small group of reckless powerboat operators and the overwhelming majority of law abiding powerboat operators, sailors, crabbers, fishermen, kayakers, canoeists, and swimmers. The Commission received an overwhelming quantity of letters in favor of a speed limit, which it ignored. The crowd at the Trenton meeting, however, was strongly opposed to a speed limit, as the New Jersey Performance Powerboat Club turned out impressively and in force. Only a spokesman for Save Barnegat Bay and a small handful of others expressed support. Although the Commission openned by stating that slow speed no wake areas would be significantly increased, they retreated from that position over the course of the hearing. They indicated that the Borough of Mantoloking would likely be denied its request to have the length of its waterfront posted slow speed no wake. It is notable that of approximately twenty performance powerboaters who testified, two volunteered that they had been involved in fatal accidents. Each insisted, however, that speed was not a factor in his particular case. Although Save Barnegat Bay supports licensing and education, we see them as inadequate to deal with the crisis on the Bay, which will only get worse as our area’s population increases. We fear that it will take some terrible tragedy before our public officials finally find the courage to stand up for common sense, the environment, and the public interest. Save Barnegat Bay will continue to explore methods of ameliorating the problem of speeding powerboats. I hope you guys have the luck and understanding we had to overcome the speed bump of your waterways.... Interesting information, thanks for sharing that. Down here Gov. Bush just signed recently three bills into law that combined, protect the public's access to the waterways, expedites the dock permitting process, and requires new manatee legislation to be based on fact, not fiction, among other issues. This was a MAJOR setback for the SMC as they brought everything they had to bear against him signing these bills into law. Unfortunately "Judge Moody" a bottom rung district court judge has decided that the Feds have the authority to actually ban all powerboats from any area that manatees are known to either congregate or found in numbers. This resulted from a court case that the Florida Marine Contractors Association had brought about against the unreasonable actions of the Feds. District court judges rarely go against any Federal action, and the FMCA is extremely confident, as they have one of the top admirality lawyers in their corner, they will win on appeal. They fully expected to lose the first case but that had to be done to get it into appeal. Unfortunately it's going to cost a lot of money to get it there, minimum of 50K which is why I'm pressing so hard on a membership drive for Citizens for Florida's Waterways to try to help. Steven Webster is the Executive Director for the FMCA and VP of CFFW. This will be the biggest fight Florida boaters have faced yet. If we lose this, the Feds could shut down 75% of the ICW to powerboats. This is serious serious stuff. In my opinion, every Florida boater that does not get on board to help fight this, is part of the problem and might as well put SMC decals on their boats. It absolutely boggles my mind that a 3 billion dollar a year industry and one of the, if not the, reason to come to Florida is being threated in this manner for a stupid mammal. No one wants to harm the manatee but human beings should at least be considered also. The SMC's agenda for years has/is to eliminate pleasure boating in coastal Florida's waterways so they can all sit on the shore and watch their beloved manatees. The reasoning behind their logic which actually got the Feds to stop docking permits was "for every dock that's built, it's one more boat that potentially could harm a manatee". Even in waters where a manatee has never been seen, but "just in case". It's ludicrous. |
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