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Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
My point is, you said it was opinion that Apache is the best big water offshore boat built. Give me a better built big water offshore racing boat built (even today) and put it up against an Apache. Is there a boat that can keep up when it's really rough?
Fountain was building boats back in the 80's and 90's. Couldn't win in true offshore race conditions. |
Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Originally Posted by thisistank
My point is, you said it was opinion that Apache is the best big water offshore boat built. Give me a better built big water offshore racing boat built (even today) and put it up against an Apache. Is there a boat that can keep up when it's really rough?
The 80's boats were 80's technology. Do you think the boats aren't built as well now as 20 years ago? Do you think they slowed down?
Originally Posted by thisistank
Fountain was building boats back in the 80's and 90's. Couldn't win in true offshore race conditions.
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Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Any apache or cigarette owners on loto willing to give a ride? I will throw down for fuel.....been on a 42ft fountain lots of fun.....P.S. i can detail it for you afterwards.....
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Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Originally Posted by Fanatic
I would bet most of the manufactures have boats that would would beat it. Do you have any proof that the latest race boats won't ? You hear the same talk about how fast the old muscle cars were...
The 80's boats were 80's technology. Do you think the boats aren't built as well now as 20 years ago? Do you think they slowed down? Fountain was getting into racing in the 80's and DOMINATED THE 90's race circuit. |
Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Both boats are well built for the rough stuff, but this also makes them slower than others with similar power.If I had to pick, I'd have to choose the cig. Hugely popular everywhere, with a fascinating history as well.
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Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Originally Posted by Fanatic
I would bet most of the manufactures have boats that would would beat it. Do you have any proof that the latest race boats won't ? You hear the same talk about how fast the old muscle cars were...
The 80's boats were 80's technology. Do you think the boats aren't built as well now as 20 years ago? Do you think they slowed down? Fountian was getting into racing in the 80's and DOMINATED THE 90's race circuit. I cant think of more than a few that could possibly run with a little ceasars or an inxs in big water can you ? |
Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Originally Posted by Pantera1
Most of the manufacturers ??
I cant think of more than a few that could possibly run with a little ceasars or an inxs in big water can you ? |
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When i hit the powerball
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Where was that race?
And where can I get the video? :cool: :eek: |
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I think that could be the Apache battle of the seas video, there's also the 91' year in review by Freeze Frame. Some killer footage of the Apaches running in seas that most of us wouldn't think of.
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In the thread "Meanist sounding engine" (or whatever the title
is) there is mention of a boat called "INXS" is that the boat they are reffering to? |
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Guys, you can speculate all ya want about how good the new stuff runs,,, However ,,, if ya look at the Races in NJ last yr, when the water got big , the P class 41 Apache led the field and beat all the "fast flat water Race Boats" for the day ,,, like I said ,,, BIG WATER :D
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Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Originally Posted by cigarette38topgun
Any apache or cigarette owners on loto willing to give a ride? I will throw down for fuel.....been on a 42ft fountain lots of fun.....P.S. i can detail it for you afterwards.....
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Originally Posted by RHC
Guys, you can speculate all ya want about how good the new stuff runs,,, However ,,, if ya look at the Races in NJ last yr, when the water got big , the P class 41 Apache led the field and beat all the "fast flat water Race Boats" for the day ,,, like I said ,,, BIG WATER :D
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I would love to have a 41,,, wanna buy a 36 that works !!! :D
RHC |
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Do you mean a "Gun to a Knife fight"? :p :D
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Yep,,, I saw that after I posted it ,,, I thought it would be at least half a day before some one caught it ,,, Good Job!! :D Ya still knew what I meant !!! :drink:
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I have seen some cig's on the lake just not any apache's.......i think it would be sweet to have one out on LOTO......I like the old school boats......80's mid 90's.....i think cigarette should make a "Classic series" no steps, simple, no super bling bling......
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Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Originally Posted by RHC
Guys, you can speculate all ya want about how good the new stuff runs,,, However ,,, if ya look at the Races in NJ last yr, when the water got big , the P class 41 Apache led the field and beat all the "fast flat water Race Boats" for the day ,,, like I said ,,, BIG WATER :D
RHC Firewater was kickin a$$! |
Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Originally Posted by Panther
Yeah, I witnessed a few of those races! :cool:
Firewater was kickin a$$! |
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And they have their 41 for sale. Take your pick :evilb:
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What a F'ing joke. i'd venture to say that if offshore racing was still OFFSHORE in the rough stuff, Fountain would be at the top of the game! maybe with a different boat but at the top, to be deal't with. It's in his blood, do you think Reggie changed the race course, NOT, he was just smart enough to ADAPT! Did the others? Apache may have had there moment in race history for what 5-7 yrs, and were was Cigarette's moment ? Fountain's may not be the ultimate OFFSHORE WARRIOR but in the last decade in half, and in the arena set by the Race Associations, they Dominate like no other manufacture, PAST or PRESENT! People say that Fountains could not have competed with the Apache and Cigaretes in there elements ( rough water ) SO ! Apache and Cigarette cant compete with Fountain"s in there elemants. So in the nasty of the nastest water Apaches and Cigarette will prevail and in the calmer waters Fountain will prevail, and inbetween we have alot of fun! GET OVER IT !
Later Dave Hughes Im in it for the love of it ! |
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I take the Apache please :eek:
Originally Posted by later
What a F'ing joke. i'd venture to say that if offshore racing was still OFFSHORE in the rough stuff, Fountain would be at the top of the game! maybe with a different boat but at the top, to be deal't with. It's in his blood, do you think Reggie changed the race course, NOT, he was just smart enough to ADAPT! Did the others? Apache may have had there moment in race history for what 5-7 yrs, and were was Cigarette's moment ? Fountain's may not be the ultimate OFFSHORE WARRIOR but in the last decade in half, and in the arena set by the Race Associations, they Dominate like no other manufacture, PAST or PRESENT! People say that Fountains could not have competed with the Apache and Cigaretes in there elements ( rough water ) SO ! Apache and Cigarette cant compete with Fountain"s in there elemants. So in the nasty of the nastest water Apaches and Cigarette will prevail and in the calmer waters Fountain will prevail, and inbetween we have alot of fun! GET OVER IT !
Later Dave Hughes Im in it for the love of it ! |
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They all are great boats, past and present, take a hot sunny day fill with fuel, boose, hot babes, crack the throttles and if it goes go with it. If the price keeps going up , I will have to go back to a open bow bayliner. another thing how are are of these HP motors going to run on 85????????.
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Originally Posted by Fanatic
I would bet most of the manufactures have boats that would would beat it.
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Lookin good... :drink:
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Originally Posted by later
What a F'ing joke. i'd venture to say that if offshore racing was still OFFSHORE in the rough stuff, Fountain would be at the top of the game! maybe with a different boat but at the top, to be deal't with. It's in his blood, do you think Reggie changed the race course, NOT, he was just smart enough to ADAPT! Did the others? Apache may have had there moment in race history for what 5-7 yrs, and were was Cigarette's moment ? Fountain's may not be the ultimate OFFSHORE WARRIOR but in the last decade in half, and in the arena set by the Race Associations, they Dominate like no other manufacture, PAST or PRESENT! People say that Fountains could not have competed with the Apache and Cigaretes in there elements ( rough water ) SO ! Apache and Cigarette cant compete with Fountain"s in there elemants. So in the nasty of the nastest water Apaches and Cigarette will prevail and in the calmer waters Fountain will prevail, and inbetween we have alot of fun! GET OVER IT !
Later Dave Hughes Im in it for the love of it ! But, the title of the thread is Apache vs. Cigarette. :eek: |
Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Originally Posted by Comanche3Six
Come get some!
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Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Originally Posted by Comanche3Six
Come get some!
http://www.fountainpowerboats.com/bo...TG_Jan06_2.pdf http://www.fountainpowerboats.com/bo...7LTG_Jan06.pdf Cigarette http://www.fountainusa.com/200646American.jpg BTW: Love that Apache... |
Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Originally Posted by Comanche3Six
Come get some!
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Originally Posted by thisistank
I think the move to build LIGHTER boats in the late 90's prevailed as a result of bringing the races out of the open seas and closer to the fans. This is a direct correlation to your second point.
I keep hearing closer in towards the fans and inshore racing. A 7ft wave is a 7 ft wave closer to shore or farther out. Sometimes you get smooth water sometimes you don't.
Originally Posted by thisistank
Fountain was getting spanked in the 80's and as the races went to smoother water, Fountain built lighter faster boats that ran better in the smooth.
Originally Posted by thisistank
Reggies a smart guy, I'm not taking that away. You ask if I think boats aren't built "as well" as 20 years ago. Well, now you are definitely getting into opinions. Heavier boats = handle the rough better.
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Originally Posted by Comanche3Six
Come get some!
WOW! How about some more pictures and info? |
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you're right lighter doesnt mean weaker, but a certain amount of weight is needed. If I remeber correctly Craig Barrie made a super light 38 or 42 that bounced all over, wouldnt cut through the waves. a winning combo is exactly that a combo.
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I, for one, could care less about what Fountain's accomplishments are. Especially in a thread titled Cigarette Vs. Apache.
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Originally Posted by Comanche3Six
Come get some!
47 foot can of whoop a$$!!! |
Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Originally Posted by Fanatic
Lighter doesn't mean weaker. There are all types of new materials which are stronger than fiberglass and wood, yet lighter than they had 20 years ago.
I keep hearing closer in towards the fans and inshore racing. A 7ft wave is a 7 ft wave closer to shore or farther out. Sometimes you get smooth water sometimes you don't. How could Reggie get "spanked in the 80's" when he didn't start racing until 1990 ? When he started racing he won, actually dominated right from the start. But the heavier the slower so there is a trade off. I'll bet the new Apaches would crush the older Apaches in any weather because of newer technology. http://www.boatmad.com/forum/images/smilies/cheers.gif |
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Originally Posted by BGIII
I, for one, could care less about what Fountain's accomplishments are. Especially in a thread titled Cigarette Vs. Apache.
Isnt there a fountain thread somewhere :rolleyes: |
Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Saber has the apache 41 mold so i would guess it is just as good in the rough as any cig or apache.
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What no murders??? :eek: :drink: :D
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Re: Cigarette Vs. Apache
Originally Posted by fast fun 2
Saber has the apache 41 mold so i would guess it is just as good in the rough as any cig or apache.
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