Great Moments In V Bottom History
11-13-2001 | 10:53 PM
#271
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First off, T2x you da man! As far as you other tough guys who like the fancy advertisements and really need to believe all that step crap, good luck and keep breakin' out those fat wallets for all that bull**** hype...
Fever Mike, ScreaminDemon & Twin29:
Fella's you guys remind me of the old adage "..there's a sucker born everyday"...
You guys really buy into that sales pitch about the grooves. I can't think of a better money making idea, marketing wise, since Reggie came up with the Beak idea to distinguish his boats' profile from the others. But I keep forgetting, you guys are so proud of your "new" technology hull designs that to find out otherwise would bring about the demise of your fragile mfr. bragging rights. It must be sad, not to mention weak, to hang on every word a boat mfr's pr department says...Go back out and keep trying to learn your death traps, also be safe will ya...
The only possible advantageous examples I've heard (outside of all the posturing talk) above of how the step improves speed i.e. riding the bow wave and all that hoke, is descriptions based on FLAT-IDEAL-WATER. Aeration right? That's the gig right? Bubbles, break the hull loose etc. etc.? My main original question referred to how in rough water is the step able to provide anymore aeration than the V when it TOO is getting aeration (bubbles) naturally in the chop? T2x made another excellent common sense observation about even on the glossy stuff you're looking at the last foot/inches of the hull in the water anyway otherwise you're just countering. You can't argue with that and consider yourself independent minded...
As far as speed increases on the newer boats is concerned, again I feel T2x nailed it on the point of settin' up the entire rig. You've got to admit that is truly the key here. Really tweak the whole thing out and gain speed. Then turn the info over to the marketing department to stake the claim it's the new "REVOLUTIONARY" step especially our step yadda-yadda-yadda. This is where that Molinari fin analogy could be cut & pasted...
Another important factor I believe in the whole step marketing gobblety-gook is the fact that a majority of sales are coming from the poor saps buying the sub-70mph rigs and raving ad-nauseum up on the beach about how much faster their setups are than the others because they have a step. And if you don't believe them please read the brochures that came with the boat. If you don't believe that, then read the ads in the boatin' mags...These are the same sources that claims your boat will do one thing with a certain setup only to be disappointed when you come up 3-4 clicks shy of the literature...
Yeah, I want to go out and LEARN to drive an unsafe boat safely while UNLEARNING everything I've gained thus far thru trial and tribulation. Just dump it all, yep that's what's chic.......I just love that Hillary vote analogy...LMFAO!!
Fever Mike, ScreaminDemon & Twin29:
Fella's you guys remind me of the old adage "..there's a sucker born everyday"...
You guys really buy into that sales pitch about the grooves. I can't think of a better money making idea, marketing wise, since Reggie came up with the Beak idea to distinguish his boats' profile from the others. But I keep forgetting, you guys are so proud of your "new" technology hull designs that to find out otherwise would bring about the demise of your fragile mfr. bragging rights. It must be sad, not to mention weak, to hang on every word a boat mfr's pr department says...Go back out and keep trying to learn your death traps, also be safe will ya...
The only possible advantageous examples I've heard (outside of all the posturing talk) above of how the step improves speed i.e. riding the bow wave and all that hoke, is descriptions based on FLAT-IDEAL-WATER. Aeration right? That's the gig right? Bubbles, break the hull loose etc. etc.? My main original question referred to how in rough water is the step able to provide anymore aeration than the V when it TOO is getting aeration (bubbles) naturally in the chop? T2x made another excellent common sense observation about even on the glossy stuff you're looking at the last foot/inches of the hull in the water anyway otherwise you're just countering. You can't argue with that and consider yourself independent minded...
As far as speed increases on the newer boats is concerned, again I feel T2x nailed it on the point of settin' up the entire rig. You've got to admit that is truly the key here. Really tweak the whole thing out and gain speed. Then turn the info over to the marketing department to stake the claim it's the new "REVOLUTIONARY" step especially our step yadda-yadda-yadda. This is where that Molinari fin analogy could be cut & pasted...
Another important factor I believe in the whole step marketing gobblety-gook is the fact that a majority of sales are coming from the poor saps buying the sub-70mph rigs and raving ad-nauseum up on the beach about how much faster their setups are than the others because they have a step. And if you don't believe them please read the brochures that came with the boat. If you don't believe that, then read the ads in the boatin' mags...These are the same sources that claims your boat will do one thing with a certain setup only to be disappointed when you come up 3-4 clicks shy of the literature...
Yeah, I want to go out and LEARN to drive an unsafe boat safely while UNLEARNING everything I've gained thus far thru trial and tribulation. Just dump it all, yep that's what's chic.......I just love that Hillary vote analogy...LMFAO!!
11-14-2001 | 12:20 AM
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As I'm cruisin the posts I was skimmin' the Nov/Dec HotBoat mag when I came across the Formula ad. I read (unusual I actually read the little blurbs) in the ad where the "renowned" FasTech hull has an "approximate" 5 percent increase in speed over a "standard" deep-V. On a 75mph boat that comes out to what, 3.75 mph? Whiiiiiiistle!!! Man that's dramatic stuff. Well worth RE-LEARNING to drive bassackwards, vice the boring ole burying of the throttles and turning and burning to the safe delight of my passengers...Now there's a concept, safe passengers and lots of worry free fun.... 
11-14-2001 | 12:29 AM
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From: oshawa ontario
Reckless- It says in your profile you have a 2002 288 Sunsation....Ahhh...I hate to be the one to tell you this but....check out the hull of your boat....it has a step bottom....were you a little to "reckless" and got "suckered"?.....your too much!!!
11-14-2001 | 12:58 AM
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twin & fever
Nice try. Actually it's a "semi-step" that only goes in one strake line, and BTW these particular "minor" notches have zero affect on turns (not sure if it does anything else either. I could easily brag it does but that would be BS'ing). The boat will bow steer (big nose) if trimmed in too much while turning hard. But it won't spin out (caveat is, without being moronic) and I've happily proven countless times at various entry speeds. This puppy cranks like all other straight Vee's I think it's most attractive driver aspect and that's coming from a former Stingray 230SX 502mag driver who loved to perform the boat in turns...
Also the "semi-step" (aka Vortex) was a non-factor in my choosing the boat. It was only after lots of assurances and a ride to prove it could still turn and burn, (one of my favorite driving pleasures) that I bought off on the other aspects that attracted me to this little performance beauty....So thanks guys for checking & asking. Stay tuned...
Might as well add that in light of it's performance characteristics with the itty-bitty step you'll never hear me singing the party lines that it's a fast little muther becuase of the step. Like I said, I don't think it affects it enough to notice...
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Nice try. Actually it's a "semi-step" that only goes in one strake line, and BTW these particular "minor" notches have zero affect on turns (not sure if it does anything else either. I could easily brag it does but that would be BS'ing). The boat will bow steer (big nose) if trimmed in too much while turning hard. But it won't spin out (caveat is, without being moronic) and I've happily proven countless times at various entry speeds. This puppy cranks like all other straight Vee's I think it's most attractive driver aspect and that's coming from a former Stingray 230SX 502mag driver who loved to perform the boat in turns...
Also the "semi-step" (aka Vortex) was a non-factor in my choosing the boat. It was only after lots of assurances and a ride to prove it could still turn and burn, (one of my favorite driving pleasures) that I bought off on the other aspects that attracted me to this little performance beauty....So thanks guys for checking & asking. Stay tuned...
Might as well add that in light of it's performance characteristics with the itty-bitty step you'll never hear me singing the party lines that it's a fast little muther becuase of the step. Like I said, I don't think it affects it enough to notice...
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11-14-2001 | 06:58 AM
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From: oshawa ontario
Reckless-And I suppose Sunsation is the ONLY manufacture with a step hull capable of allowing you to still "turn and burn" with out catching and rolling. No other step hull manufacture is capable of accomplishing this...Right?? You better be driving a Sunsation less your going to spin out and die...Right?
