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01-24-2013 | 05:02 PM
#502
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From: Lake George
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IMHO if you want to go for max speeds, you are much safer in a cat....but you must REALLY know what you're doing in either design at 100+.[/QUOTE]
Yes! Anyone who has experience in a cat will agree with that statement
IMHO if you want to go for max speeds, you are much safer in a cat....but you must REALLY know what you're doing in either design at 100+.[/QUOTE]
Yes! Anyone who has experience in a cat will agree with that statement
01-24-2013 | 05:53 PM
#503
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From: Traverse City, Michigan
Yup, offshore racing sanction bodies probably have the most imaginative use of the title "world championship" considering most of the world and a good chunk of the USA has little involvement as a spectator or competitor.
01-24-2013 | 06:12 PM
#504
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From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Would that Jeep run in the marine plywood or exterior plywood class ?
Yup, offshore racing sanction bodies probably have the most imaginative use of the title "world championship" considering most of the world and a good chunk of the USA has little involvement as a spectator or competitor.
Yup, offshore racing sanction bodies probably have the most imaginative use of the title "world championship" considering most of the world and a good chunk of the USA has little involvement as a spectator or competitor.
01-24-2013 | 08:26 PM
#505
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From: Dallas, TX
The simple fact is that steps are meaningless when 90% of the hull is out of the water and the boat is balanced on a pad. The major stepped vee builders use brute power and lower attack angles to force the steps down on the water when they run for max speeds. I have real trepidation about vees at ridiculous speeds in the first place as they are always one "hop" away from a broach and barrel roll. They were never designed for flat water kilos, rather the vee design is a rough/choppy water modification to a monohull. Rayson Craft and other flat bottom builders changed to "semi vees" for rough water marathon courses, but continued to build pure flat bottoms for drag racing. This proves the logic that flat planing surfaces are fastest without any dihedral and this is the basis for "Pads".
IMHO if you want to go for max speeds, you are much safer in a cat....but you must REALLY know what you're doing in either design at 100+.
IMHO if you want to go for max speeds, you are much safer in a cat....but you must REALLY know what you're doing in either design at 100+.
I will say though, our 43 BT runs pretty much on it's tail at 130+, but it will still click off of the hull areas where the steps are when going over wakes/chop.
01-24-2013 | 08:30 PM
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From: Milton, Fla!
I bumped into an old girlfriend yrs ago.....
She kept trying to remind me of it and I came off looking like a total doofus as I didn't get it.Back in my kneel down hyrdoplane racing days I won a race in Laredo Texas. That race was billed as the "Laredo World Championship"
You can all any race you want, a "World Championship".
01-25-2013 | 10:04 AM
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From: Lake Wallenpaupack, PA
Tuff 28 22.5 degree dead rise runs 95 mph with a 525 weighs about 3500 lbs. so it should run 98-100 with a 565, and 101-102 with a 600.
Outerlimits 29 21 degree dead rise on the last step runs 98-99 with a 565 and 101 with 600 but weights 4800lbs. (there is plenty video of this boat running hard and does not seem to be in any danger of a spin out.)
Theses two boats are probably the fastest v bottoms at this length. (or even most cats, save for maybe the redline 26 or nordic 27, but then again not to many single I/O cats that are around this length) How is it that the OL can weigh 1300lbs more and still run virtually the same speeds? I know that they threw every trick in the book, (lower that 24 degree dead rise, pad, multiple steps) But the tuff has two of those three and way less weight to lug around.
For the record I have no horse in this race just looking to gain some knowledge and maybe play devils advocate
Outerlimits 29 21 degree dead rise on the last step runs 98-99 with a 565 and 101 with 600 but weights 4800lbs. (there is plenty video of this boat running hard and does not seem to be in any danger of a spin out.)
Theses two boats are probably the fastest v bottoms at this length. (or even most cats, save for maybe the redline 26 or nordic 27, but then again not to many single I/O cats that are around this length) How is it that the OL can weigh 1300lbs more and still run virtually the same speeds? I know that they threw every trick in the book, (lower that 24 degree dead rise, pad, multiple steps) But the tuff has two of those three and way less weight to lug around.
For the record I have no horse in this race just looking to gain some knowledge and maybe play devils advocate
01-25-2013 | 11:27 AM
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From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Rolled it cause of faulty trim tab indicator, IE tab was down when he thought it was up entered hard turn and the rest is history. I don't think it would have mattered if it steps or not, big tabs in the wrong position and hard turn could make any boat go over.
01-25-2013 | 01:41 PM
#510
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From: Lake George
